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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Runestar" data-source="post: 4637369" data-attributes="member: 72317">There appear to be 2 conflicting stances on this issue.Just about every epic npc I see (with the exception of Gerti from the ELH) has the bab of the classes simply added onto the existing bab from its monster HD (eg: frost giant blackguard from MM, eldritch giant confessor from MM3, various dragon npcs from dragons of faerun etc). However, I am unsure as to whether this is indeed how the epic progression rules are supposed to work, or if the designers simply did it to expedite the monster statting process. The FAQ does state that the dragon prcs from draconomicon are meant to be an exception to the norm (their requirements mean that the dragons pretty much must have at least 21+ HD to qualify, yet they possess bab/save progressions), which suggests that epic bab/saves trigger the moment character lv (ie: racial HD + class lvs) exceeds 20. So yeah, a 20HD undead/fighter1 never gets that 3rd attack...Also, the various epic prcs in the ELH do not have bab/save progressions, so you do get an interesting conundrum if a powerful monster could somehow qualify for them without any class lvs without triggering epic bab/saves (for example, any dragon, outsider or monstrous humanoid with 23 HD could technically take lvs in legendary dreadnought...)You may also need to evaluate the cr increase from class lvs independently, since monster HD never trigger epic bab rules, and you typically can get 2-3 of them at the price of 1 class lv. Hmm...that wasn't very conclusive, was it...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!    :o"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" /></blockquote>

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