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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grayhawk" data-source="post: 1861499" data-attributes="member: 11288">Personally, I don't like the defense bonus systems that doesn't stack with armor (like the one in UA). I also don't like defense bonus systems that max out at a whopping +12 to AC, as I feel that's just too high. Of course, according to UA, that variant is for campaigns where armor isn't as viable as in a 'normal' game, and as such the DB is meant to be able to fill the role of normal (and magical) armor.For my personal needs, I'd rather have a DB that stacks with armor, but with a much slower progression (mostly to make it possible to remain competitive without necessarily having to resort to magical armor).For this specific purpose, I made up the following, simple defense bonus:'You get a bonus to your AC of +1 for every 5 points of BAB.'Thus, fighters max out at +4, rogues at +3 and wizards at +2. These stack with armor. Just what kind of AC bonus this is (a dodge bonus?), I haven't decided yet. (I'm not using this, or any DB, variant at the moment. I just thought this up as a possible inclusion for a low(er) magic game.)***Hm, I just re-read your opening post and noticed something I glossed over on my first read: 'I want the system to work with the normal magic item assumptions.' So my system propably won't be what you're looking for - sorry 'bout that. But hopefully it may give you some ideas, like basing the DB progression on BAB, which I personally find the most logical...</blockquote>

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