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<blockquote data-quote="Eirikrautha" data-source="post: 6357273" data-attributes="member: 6777843"><p>Maybe you might want to wait until your folks have played the new edition for a while before you try this? First off, with the new bounded accuracy, a plus +3 to a roll is a BIG DEAL. The save DCs don't get much higher faster, and they do so linearly. Saves with proficiency actually go up exponentially, because they include both a stat bonus and the proficiency bonus. While a first level character might be +2 and +2 (stat and proficiency), by mid levels they are going to be +4 or +5 stat on their prime attributes with a +3 or +4 as proficiency. Beginning DCs usually range from 13-15, giving the 1st level guy a 50% chance of saving. But a mid-level guy who is facing a DC 15-17 check will have a 60-70% chance under your system. Now you are extending that to EVERY save (because a character can optimize their reaction to always get a bonus using the best stat: "I use my Arcana to figure out exactly where the fireball is likely to hit... that should give me proficiency bonus to my Dex save!"). </p><p></p><p>I just see this as a solution in search of a problem. The game is designed to take into account certain numerical ranges of bonuses. Tamper with them at your own risk...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eirikrautha, post: 6357273, member: 6777843"] Maybe you might want to wait until your folks have played the new edition for a while before you try this? First off, with the new bounded accuracy, a plus +3 to a roll is a BIG DEAL. The save DCs don't get much higher faster, and they do so linearly. Saves with proficiency actually go up exponentially, because they include both a stat bonus and the proficiency bonus. While a first level character might be +2 and +2 (stat and proficiency), by mid levels they are going to be +4 or +5 stat on their prime attributes with a +3 or +4 as proficiency. Beginning DCs usually range from 13-15, giving the 1st level guy a 50% chance of saving. But a mid-level guy who is facing a DC 15-17 check will have a 60-70% chance under your system. Now you are extending that to EVERY save (because a character can optimize their reaction to always get a bonus using the best stat: "I use my Arcana to figure out exactly where the fireball is likely to hit... that should give me proficiency bonus to my Dex save!"). I just see this as a solution in search of a problem. The game is designed to take into account certain numerical ranges of bonuses. Tamper with them at your own risk... [/QUOTE]
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