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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1429201" data-attributes="member: 5777">A fair question.Just like you said, CR is not on a linear scale.The extra level of sorc definately adds something, but no where near enough to push the creature from CR 14 to CR 15.If the dragon really is CR 14 and the next age category up is CR 16 (as in this case) then, as I showed above, adding one level of sorc is not going to change the creatures CR to 15. Not by a long shot.This is a problem with the CR system, but not a really huge one. It is just that the sorc level is a fraction of a full point, how much of a fraction is hard to say. But it definately isnt worth a full one.It isnt that, at some point in the past, some character got to level 3 and said, 'hey, I am better now!'. It is a dragon, who is already incredibly formidable, gaining a dab of power and him barely even noticing.If the powers that are gained are not useful in combat then the CR of that creature should change either not at all, or only very slightly. The powers that this guy gets from that level are negligable compared to the Power that he already is.While you ask, 'if you skip this one when do you start adding?' I'll respond with, 'if I add two levels to make this guy CR 16 is he anywhere near the power level he would be as one age category up at CR 16?'They are both valid questions. Neither are easy to answer. But I think everyone can see that adding two levels of sorc and saying it is CR 16 is laughable compared to the real CR 16 that he will become. They arent even in the same category of power gained.Levels for characters and levels for monsters work differently. For the pc it isnt just combat, it is everything. For the monsters the CR tends to depend more on combat. Hence the CR (challenge rating). If the extra level doesnt make him much more of a challenge (and this level of sorc doesnt change his challenge hardly at all) then how can it be justified to move the CR?While I see the other side of the coin as well somwhere there has to be a tradeoff. You cannot just add a level to him and say he is much tougher, he isnt. If you add two levels then what do you do? do you not add a CR for the second? If you add two CR when adding those two levels then something is definately wrong, in a very obvious way.So where do you draw the line? and why?</blockquote>

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