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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1429599" data-attributes="member: 5777">I read your example spells, now pick one (only one, he only gets one) and tell me how it will really matter in the battle. Most/all of the ones you listed are nice, but will rarely be worth casting. Generally they are either short duration or not terribly powerful. He would be better off breathing, full attacking, moving (at an incredible speed!) into a better position.Would you change the Dragons CR up from 14 to 15 if you added a few points of natural armor and gave it a couple of minor abilities? I doubt it. Why would you do it here when the level of sorc gives it 'less' than that??It is all about relative power. The amount of power he gets from that level is negligable, sure it is there, but it is not worth a full point of CR.Like I said earlier, that is a problem with the CR system, it rounds out a lot of things. Sure he 'might' be slightly harder, but no where near enough to push him up a full category.After all, we are talking about one group with 7th level spells, and then the next having 8th level spells (not to mention all of the other changes from 14 to 15). The dragon got one third level spell and pretty much nothing else, the party got 8th level spells. Do you see the disparity?It isnt that I dont agree that the dragon gained 'some' power, he just didnt gain enough to be a full CR higher. Not by a long shot.</blockquote>