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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1429641" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>Everything related to being challenging, if you give a creature Greater Detect Fuzz Ball and Destroy at will that works instantly at a range of 10,000 feet it wont change the CR one bit.</p><p></p><p>This level of sorc gives the dragon almost nothing, compared to what he already has and what pc's he will be up against will have.</p><p></p><p>His skills are already massive and impressive, there will be a slight boost in skill points (4) but compared to how many he already had it is negligable. They wont cause any massive power influx.</p><p></p><p>A single third level spell? yey. It wont be any use offensively, defensive is possible but at such a low caster check that dispel magic cant help but negate it, or it will be of such low power that the party doesnt really have to even worry about it. (the party has been going against haste for 9 levels now, either they have a way around it or they just arent worried about it for whatever reason, possibly dispel, possibly slow, possibly they are all hasted, maybe they are ranged, whatever it is)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>baby dragon? that would not be a 5th level caster. So say we add one level of sorc to creature zeezleelbbublab surely that adds a +1 CR right? knowing nothing about the creature what-so-ever there is no real way to tell. Sure you could say it is worth +1 CR, but there is no guarentee. Perhaps this creature has a 8 cha, maybe it has a special ability where each level of sorc it gets counts double.</p><p></p><p>Still, getting back to your example of some other creature, when it is a different age category then the CR adjustment might be different. It would be on a case by case basis. If the amount of power did nothing for it then why would it be worth +1 CR? it isnt.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, CR is supposed to include ALL powers. That is what I have said. But, since CR rounds a very great deal within a single CR the power levels can have a certain varience. Anytime there is varience then there is the possibility that ADDING something will not net to the next CR. So it doesnt always add up to +1 CR. In this case it isnt even close.</p><p></p><p>You say that you are taking all of the powers into account, if he picked up a level of wizard would you increase his CR? He definately gains less that way, or a level of commoner? 0 power increase right there. Still CR +1? two levels of commoner? 10? 100?</p><p></p><p>CR has varience within each step, with that varience there is always the possibility of adding something and the CR not changing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1429641, member: 5777"] Everything related to being challenging, if you give a creature Greater Detect Fuzz Ball and Destroy at will that works instantly at a range of 10,000 feet it wont change the CR one bit. This level of sorc gives the dragon almost nothing, compared to what he already has and what pc's he will be up against will have. His skills are already massive and impressive, there will be a slight boost in skill points (4) but compared to how many he already had it is negligable. They wont cause any massive power influx. A single third level spell? yey. It wont be any use offensively, defensive is possible but at such a low caster check that dispel magic cant help but negate it, or it will be of such low power that the party doesnt really have to even worry about it. (the party has been going against haste for 9 levels now, either they have a way around it or they just arent worried about it for whatever reason, possibly dispel, possibly slow, possibly they are all hasted, maybe they are ranged, whatever it is) baby dragon? that would not be a 5th level caster. So say we add one level of sorc to creature zeezleelbbublab surely that adds a +1 CR right? knowing nothing about the creature what-so-ever there is no real way to tell. Sure you could say it is worth +1 CR, but there is no guarentee. Perhaps this creature has a 8 cha, maybe it has a special ability where each level of sorc it gets counts double. Still, getting back to your example of some other creature, when it is a different age category then the CR adjustment might be different. It would be on a case by case basis. If the amount of power did nothing for it then why would it be worth +1 CR? it isnt. Yes, CR is supposed to include ALL powers. That is what I have said. But, since CR rounds a very great deal within a single CR the power levels can have a certain varience. Anytime there is varience then there is the possibility that ADDING something will not net to the next CR. So it doesnt always add up to +1 CR. In this case it isnt even close. You say that you are taking all of the powers into account, if he picked up a level of wizard would you increase his CR? He definately gains less that way, or a level of commoner? 0 power increase right there. Still CR +1? two levels of commoner? 10? 100? CR has varience within each step, with that varience there is always the possibility of adding something and the CR not changing. [/QUOTE]
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