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<blockquote data-quote="jontherev" data-source="post: 3309658" data-attributes="member: 1451"><p>Howdy, I'm a noob DM trying to make the recurring villain, a 1st level half-fiendish doppleganger rogue. This seems a bit much to me, but according to the MM, this is an ECL 13 (4 for racial HD, 4 for adjustment, 4 for template, 1 for class level). Is this right? I'm sorry, but a 13th level fighter would level this monster in about 2 rounds (possibly 1 round) at most without taking any damage most likely.</p><p></p><p>Also, this would be a CR of 7 (3 for base creature, +1 for good ability scores, +2 for template, +1 for class level).</p><p></p><p>I guess I'm a little confused as to the relationship between ECL and CR. So, can I legally equip this monster as a 13th level character and still keep this same CR?</p><p></p><p>My main goal is to make a villain who can spy on them well and taunt them until around 10th level. I don't want to kill them, and I don't want them to kill this monster until after 10th level. I've given these 1st level characters very powerful intelligent items at 1st level along with high abilities, and I want to make sure this creature will survive, but also without a TPK. Thanks for any help.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jontherev, post: 3309658, member: 1451"] Howdy, I'm a noob DM trying to make the recurring villain, a 1st level half-fiendish doppleganger rogue. This seems a bit much to me, but according to the MM, this is an ECL 13 (4 for racial HD, 4 for adjustment, 4 for template, 1 for class level). Is this right? I'm sorry, but a 13th level fighter would level this monster in about 2 rounds (possibly 1 round) at most without taking any damage most likely. Also, this would be a CR of 7 (3 for base creature, +1 for good ability scores, +2 for template, +1 for class level). I guess I'm a little confused as to the relationship between ECL and CR. So, can I legally equip this monster as a 13th level character and still keep this same CR? My main goal is to make a villain who can spy on them well and taunt them until around 10th level. I don't want to kill them, and I don't want them to kill this monster until after 10th level. I've given these 1st level characters very powerful intelligent items at 1st level along with high abilities, and I want to make sure this creature will survive, but also without a TPK. Thanks for any help. [/QUOTE]
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