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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6865528" data-attributes="member: 2067">This does bring up the question of "how close to the monster do you have to be before you HAVE to make Hide checks to avoid being dfetected?"Generally, I presume that most environments are pretty noisy, so you don't get heard until you're pretty close - someone clomping along in full plate still wouldn't be heard until they're within ~ 60 ft. or so (rule of thumb is you can hear someone talking at about 20 meters, presuming that most sounds PC's make are in the general realm of "a spoken conversation" isn't a bad assumption). A DM who wants to start forcing you to sneak 100 ft. + away from your target is kind of presuming a LOT more noise than I generally would! (and, unless the monster has a 100+ ft. view around himself and thus is in the center of the proverbial open field, your vision would probably be about the same, if not less). For me, trying to achieve surprise = trying to be super-sneaky, and the default state of most critters in the world = pretty attentive. And I personally wouldn't use average values for sneaking PC's for three big reasons. The first is because rolling is fun and gives the player a sense of agency over their skill usage - it is an active thing they can do. The second is because if monsters sneak up on the party, I don't want to have them roll Perception checks and thus give away that there's something that they need to perceive. The third is because each instance of hiding is its own action, subject to the particular nuances of the  new place that you've moved your body to, while standing in one spot and staring at a doorway (or glancing between them, or walking a path, etc.) is less changeable, and a bit less subject to simple luck. To be clear, not saying your way is bad or anything (stealth rules are really up to DM interpretation in 5e), just giving some reasons why I wouldn't personally do it that way.</blockquote>

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