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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 688292" data-attributes="member: 8439">lets not make this personal, ok? there's nothing wrong with 'darker aspects' but the current mechanic for dealing with them is just wrong. The unwilling status needs to be split into at least two statuses - unenthusiastic perhaps to indicate a potentially willing lover who is 'not in the mood' vs unwilling which needs a major rewrite.again, this has nothign to do with nerves, except insofar as I'm willing to bring this sort of thing front and center. It seems that you haven't really looked at what some of your feats and charts are really saying, and I'd much rather you did that and kept the NC as a realistic and non-creepy part of the game, than 'sanitize' it and let individual DMs be creepy on their own.for one thing, if NC is part of the core rules, this allows a section on 'vile defenses' which I would want to work on. much better than campaigns where 'mature' content is thrown in without allowing the characters to be realisticly prepared for it.This is all about mechanics and facing up to what they are. Let me spell the problem with the core mechanics out. A 10th level rogue with maxed out arrousal in a hard focus game sees a second level commoner he wants. The commoner absolutely does not want him for any combination of reasons. She is declared 'unwilling' and as a low level character gets a small bonus to her miniscule will save. After a couple of subdual sneak attacks and use rope checks, said rogue rapes her. He has the Force Pleasure feat, a couple of other "enhancements" and gloves of dex that he leaves on for the event. The fact that he is raping her is counted only as a small bonus to an opposed check and he rolls very well. By the mechanics which we have now, she has had aHeavenly Experience - Things were done in the bedroom that are the stuff of legends and ribald pornographic etchings! The gods and goddesses of lust would be proud of you. In time, you may even draw their notice and be whisked away to visit them! +5 bonus to Charisma-related checks when dealing with this person for the next 1d4 weeks. In addition, your lover will be charmed (as the spell) for 2d8 days.This is not a sidetrack, this is the mechanics as currently written. I would recomend fixing them over getting rid of the issue entirely, but leaving them as they are is a serious problem, not for me for any personal reasons but objectivly as the results. Fixing them would take a very short period of time and would do very little to the core mechanics, but it needs to be adressed in the core mechanics (or eliminated from them and included as a side bar that makes it clear that the core rules cannot be applied to an unwilling character.)Kahuna Burger</blockquote>

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