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Message: <blockquote data-quote="VVrayven" data-source="post: 696059" data-attributes="member: 9950">Yea! I'm so happy all you boys have decided to play nice. ::claps:: <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> : pats on head : <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Awww... Does that mean you don't like my lists. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> They were only meant to be a guide (for us) in making the Carnal Arts, not really part of the guide, really more a "Behind the Curtain" aspect.A) SIMPLICITY - I believe if we limit their use like you suggest in balance, one character will only have to worry about one or two sets of skills at the most. If they spend all the time and energy into getting more well they deserve the complexity it brings. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> B) BALANCE - I totally agree.C) FEEL - Well we could always go with the Bardic Music angle. Perosnally I think this small deviation will be okay. The whole mini-ability angle isn't too far out of line, IMHO. I support it too. I think it woks well, is balanced, and is very easy to use. I'd love to see your new ones. I do think we need some kind of guideline for making new Carnal Arts though. Any ideas? This is a very excellent point. One I hadn't considered before. Hmmm... Status Conditions don't tend to work like that in 3e, they seem to be all or nothing events. It could be argued that once a character is Unwilling, they aren't really ready for ANY kind of sexual activity. I mean if Partner A is having fun with Partner B and Partner C storms in and tries to rape Partner A... I don't think Partner A is going to be to interested in having fun with Partner B any more either... ? But I agree on the Horny issue, how about this change:UnwillingIf a character does not wish sexual activity, they may declare themselves Unwilling. An Unwilling character may not attempt any Prowess checks unless they are solely used to resist sexual activity. The character is considered to automatically succeed any Fortitude or Will save to resist sexual advances and arousal and cannot be aroused by mundane means. If the setting supports an Non-Consensual atmosphere, a bonus (1 to 100 or higher) may be added instead of the automatic success. Becoming lustful negates the benefits of being Unwilling. Any attempt at sexual activity with an Unwilling partner is considered an act of rape.Sound like an okay fix? Any other good ideas. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Alright, boys. I'm going to take a rest and try and come up with a good guidline system for making Carnal Arts. Maybe something we include in a "Behind the Curtain" section of the guide. Can't wait to hear ideas from all of you. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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