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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Death By Surfeit" data-source="post: 733144" data-attributes="member: 8646">Sorry for the long abscence, everyone, but if it’s any consolation going internet cold-turkey hasn’t been great for me either <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />. After reading over everyone’s contributions, there’s a couple of issues to deal with, which I will go into over the course of this post.Welcome to the editing board, Asher! It’s always good to hear from someone who has playtested the NUCK to such an extent, and your post included useful material and important considerations that will undoubtedly help. I’ll get to that in a moment.Firstly, from what I’ve heard of the Nymphology book it’s vague, lighthearted and (like an awful lot of the Encyclopaedia Arcana books in my opinion) rather naff. As far as I can tell it poses no more threat or challenge to the BoUCK as the existence of the DbS conversion or the original guide - it’s shallow and narrow-band, whereas what we’re producing is a comprehensive and really rather wonderful compilation of all the carnal knowledge applicable to D&D.In other words, we can plain ignore it to no detriment of our own. Keep working, everyone!The second issue seems to be a split in the board over how we’re going to be handling the Carnal Arts (which I will refer to as Arts from now on). Gez, and I think Sorn, are in favour of using conventional feats in the same manner as OA. VVrayven and myself prefer an unconventional feat system. Our recently decloaked Asher prefers another system entirely which, whilst interesting, I feel is a little cumbersome.I could try to mediate in this situation, engage in long rhetoric to sway you to my method of thinking, but have instead chosen to put forward my own proposition, albeit somewhat foreshortened. Everyone is free to give feedback or make their own contribution, but should it pass muster with the group I will write out and post up the full version.So, without further ado....CARNAL ARTSSpecific Feat Proposal, Draft CopySYSTEMCarnal arts are positions, maneouvres, capabilities and tricks which enhance your prowess in new and interesting ways. Each of the six Arts is linked to a key ability score - the higher your score, the more useful it will be to you.In order for you to gain access to an Art, you must take the relevant feat. Once this is taken, you may use the Art’s techniques a number of times equal to the appropriate ability score (or more, if you take the feat multiple times). More and more different techniques become available as you progress in levels of Prowess, in much the same manner that more and more applications of bardic music become available when a bard goes up ranks in Perform.FEATThe generic form of Carnal Art feats goes along these lines. The title and key ability score changes with each, but the mechanics remain consistent between them.CARNAL ART (Carnal)You are familiar with the Art in question, a brief summary of which is included herePrerequisite: Key ability score 13+, 3 or more ranks of Sexual ProwessBenefit: You may safely use the techniques of the Art a number of times equal to your key ability modifer before resting.Normal: Characters without this feat cannot use the Art’s techniques.Special: You may take this feat multiple times, allowing you to use the techniques an additional nmber of times equal to your key ability modifier before resting.ARTSThe Arts (and their associated techniques) are summarised below very briefly. Each Art has five associated techniques for the sake of balance, but the prerequisites for each vary. All names, effects and so on are purely for draft - suggestions are helpful. Effects last for one round unless otherwise stated.Five Immaculate Forms of the Master (Str)The personal teachings of Weil-Hung, the exiled half-orc monk.Powerful Lover - Use Str as key ability until Climax or EcstasyCharging Ram - Increase effective size category of phallus by half/one whilst penetratingGulping Heron - Make (Str mod) extra Prowess checks whilst penetrated - take highestSqueezing Boa - Grapple in which Prowess is used is inescapableStinging Cobra - Make Prowess checks with unarmed melee attacksFlowers of the Decadent Blossom (Dex)A subtle art learnt by the carefree upper echelons of highest society.Nimble Lover - Use Dex as key ability until Climax or EcstasyLove for Many - Reduce/ignore penalties for multiple partnersSecret Affair - May make Prowess check through clothing and armourLove of Many - May make check to use rank bonus to Prowess multiple timesOpen Romance - Ignore all penalties for circumstances, love of others, past experience etc etcTechniques of the Halfling Harlot (Con)Survival traits passed down through the ranks of the halfling whorehouses.Accomodating - Minimise Size Matters damageMuscle Relaxation - Increase size of given orifice by half/oneSelfless Lover - Gain bonus if partner gets penaltyFeign Pain - Pretend damage was maximum w/ regards sadism until Climax or EcstasyInduce Sadism - Give partners the sadism fetishTricks of the Great Improviso (Int)The inheritance to society of the legendary gnome Arcanalist.Imaginative Lover - Use Int as key ability until Climax or EcstasyAdaptability - Reduce/ignore penalties for other types of creatures until Climax/EcstasyImprovisation - Apply Prowess bonus to any technique, regardless of proficiencySubtle Touch - Make Prowess check without partner realisingMind Games - Turn partner’s arousal into lustfulnessLore of the Tantric Ancients (Wis)Learnt from ancient books where wisdom and sensuality were one.Spiritual Lover - Use Wis as key ability until Climax or EcstasyHumble the Mountain - Ignore sexual fatigue for single Climax/EcstasyDam the River - Automatically succeed at save to ignore Arousal shiftClimb the Mountain - Modify check result to turn Climax into EcstasySwim the River - Ignore all penalties for Arousal.Art of the Immortal Nymph (Cha)Communal tips and tricks shared amongst the finest and most glamorous courtesans.Encapsulating Touch - All Concentration checks against Arousal failDreamlike Presence - Reduce/ignore one penalty for differing sexual alignment/frets etcBeatific Presence - Ignore penalty for using striptease, exotic dance etc. to raise above ArousedIrresistable Touch - Partner cannot make save against ArousalMonumental Presence - Post-coitus attitude changes are irrevocableYou’ll notice that the option to use other key abilities for Prowess modifier has been included in these Arts (except from Cha, where it is already used, and Con, where it cannot). This is one of many options, as the trick could be to combine key ability with Cha as twofold bonus, double given bonus, something completely different etc. etc. Feedback please on this.As ever, this is only working copy and is free to be ditched or changed in any way you see fit - suggestions for improvement or alternative renditions are very much appreciated.Hear from you all soon,Death B Surfeit</blockquote>

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