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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Death By Surfeit" data-source="post: 777792" data-attributes="member: 8646">Thankyou, Asher, for your contributions, and you too VVrayven for pre-empting the majority of my reply on these issues – you’re becoming dangerously perceptive.Perhaps I’m being a little vague for the purposes of this thread, but the ‘taking 20’ generalisation was designed for circumstances that use the ‘Soft Focus’ rules – basically another way of saying that ‘out-of-shot’ congress lasts six minutes (each taking 20 Prowess check takes two minutes) or more, and both partners are assumed to reach Climax by some method or another.The actual Arousal DC table refers specifically to the Hard Focus rules, where affairs are sorted out by actual d20 rolls each time – to make the difference clear, I think we should disallow taking 10 or taking 20 when using Hard Focus.With regards sexual fatigue and ‘recovery’, firstly I would like to remain somewhat adamant as to Sexual Fatigue. From my experience, your average man or woman can certainly continue after the first orgasm, but the affair is tiring – it would not be inconsiderable to impose a rather measly –2 to the check; after all, the average woman is still allowed another 15 (a further 10 before exhaustion, VVrayven) before being pretty much out for the count. It may not be the most accurate of systems, but it’s (relatively) simple and workable enough.However, I would advocate, however, increasing it to 1+Con mod (again, minimum 1) where matters were once only Con mod. The perfectionist in me wants to keep everything in neat, memorable numbers as befitting of 3rd ed, but there is little between the attribute scores themselves and their modifiers. Is this a good enough compromise?Your suggestions are very much valid with regards the male ‘recovery time’ – sexual fatigue itself refers to actual tiredness and thus should not be specially penalised (after all, the condition can last for many hours), but perhaps a circumstantial modifier should be imposed for a period after Climax or Ecstasy; any suggestions for this?The Sex Tricks have indeed been reworked into Carnal Arts, although most of the focuses haven’t been featured (we decided to avoid simple modifier manoeuvres for fear of threatening balance); there are no plans to have any available to characters who don’t take the appropriate feats. The ‘appropriate circumstances’ restriction may still apply, but it would be a little less strict to reflect the fact that players have paid for the privilege of doing so.Once again thankyou Asher, for your scrutinising of the system has yielded many points that need to be altered or clarified. More of the same, please!As I continue to squirrel away at the mechanical compilation, I’ve come up with a more-or-less complete list of circumstantial modifiers. As nobody has posted any other submissions in the meantime, I thought I’d post what I’d dreamt up. This is my no means gospel, and should you have any changes to make, for chrissakes post them – if you don’t, tell me whether I’m on the right track.So, before I lose myself nattering, here they are:MASTER LIST OF CIRCUMSTANTIAL MODIFIERS TO PROWESS DC, v1.0Subject Status+2 when subject of check is Fatigued+6 when subject of check is ExhaustedTechnique+2 unusual technique+5 inappropriate technique+10 very inappropriate technique+4 per subject of the Prowess check past the first, up to Dexterity modifierCircumstances+2 awkward circumstances (eg. in public)+5 dangerous circumstances (eg. in combat)Fetishes & Frets-fetish bonus (according to fetish) when used on a partner with the fetish+fetish bonus (according to fetish) when used on a partner without the fetish+fret penalty (according to fret) when appropriateDamage+total damage received in round if subject is not masochistic-total damage received in round if subject is masochistic-total damage dealt to partners in round if subject is sadisticWhilst writing this list up, it occurred to me that there was no definition of what constituted an improper technique for the purposes of modifiers, hence as a list of proficiencies also needed to be provided, I thought I’d clarify the suitability to each for given tasks. This certainly adds a tactical element to proceedings, and encourages people to, ahem, experiment a little. They may not be absolutely true-to-life, but at least they’re balanced.PROFICIENCY APPLICATION v0.1Proficiencies are done by group for the sake of convenience where possible. Each group consists of multiple proficiencies (shown in brackets), although modifiers are identical within the group.Group (Proficiencies)Aroused/Peaked/Climaxed/Ecstatic modifiersRemember that these are modifiers to the DC! Less is more!Bondage (By type – Contortion, Hanging, Inverted, Ties etc.)Aroused +0 / Peaked +2 / Climaxed +10 / Ecstatic +10Caress (By type – Breasts, Erotic Massage, Stroking etc.)Aroused +0 / Peaked +2 / Climaxed +10 / Ecstatic +10DSM (Domination, Submission)Aroused +0 / Peaked +2 / Climaxed +10 / Ecstatic +10Masturbation (Male, Female)Aroused +2 / Peaked 0 / Climaxed +2 / Ecstatic +5Oral (Cunnilingus, Fellatio)Aroused +2 / Peaked 0 / Climaxed +2 / Ecstatic +5Penetrative (By position – Cross, Frontal, Half-facing, Inverted, Matrimonial, Negresse, Rear, Riding, Scissors, Standing etc.)Aroused +10 / Peaked +2 / Climaxed 0 / Ecstatic 0*This use of Prowess is reciprocal – your partner makes a Prowess check back against you, although it is optional as to whether to add Prowess rank bonus*Sodomy (Receiving)Aroused +10 / Peaked +2 / Climaxed 0 / Ecstatic 0Toys (By item – Dildos, Wizards’ Staffs, etc.)Aroused +10 / Peaked +2 / Climaxed 0 / Ecstatic 0And, of course, whatever everyone else can think up.Looking back on things, it certainly leaves no restrictions on how many proficiencies someone would be interested in – more than 25 are named on the list alone, upwards of 15 of which aren’t too obscure or kinky.Oh, and whilst we were at it, I was wondering whether there might be the possibility of adding proficiencies to induce horniness rather than physical arousal – after a while I decided that this may be best left as a use of the Perform (lapdance, dirty talk etc) instead – maybe test against same DC as Climaxed (18 male, 20 female), with an optional Will save to resist rather than fortitude.Sorry for this severe burst of material on my part (it’s the best method of ignoring the fact us British are getting dragged into Bush’s sordid little excursion despite the consensus of our people – although your appreciation doesn’t help matters, VVrayven <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />), but I hope you can give your opinions as soon as possible… before I post anything else up!DbSPS. That is a genuine threat. Don’t try calling my bluff!</blockquote>

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