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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Asher" data-source="post: 780343" data-attributes="member: 10601">Ahhh...very good, I understand now.  That -4 penalty for lack of proficiency that VVrayven used in her example was throwing me off and generated incorrect numbers.  With the penalty gone, things look much better.Still, at this point I still wonder whether it isn't prohibitively difficult to achieve a high Gratification score for an encounter.  I ran a scenario using two 5th level characters (wizard and rogue), both of whom had maxed out the Prowess skill (8 ranks) but had not bought any Carnal Arts.  I stuck to using only the techniques in which the characters were proficienct, used the variant rule in which DC's decrease gradually from prolonged arousal, and permitted "take 10" but not "take 20".  The scenario ran for about thirty rounds, ended with both characters Exhausted, and yielded a Gratification score of 6 for each partner.Subjectively, it seems as though two 5th level characters with maxed-out Prowess ranks should be able to do somewhat better than that in half an hour's time.  The main culprit behind the low Gratification scores was the surpassing difficulty of beating Climax DC's by more than 5, especially for the female character, and especially after Exhaustion set in.  At that point, the 8 skill ranks and 2-3 bonus points for ability scores barely sufficed to meet DC's at all -- but even earlier on, those extra 10 or 11 points only yielded a single Climax worth more than 1 Gratification point.  Of course, in this scenario I let Exhaustion set in too early for the female (having not read DbS's last post), and maybe things would have turned out differently without incurring that -6 penalty so early in the encounter.  I'll try running a similar scenario, correcting those mistakes.</blockquote>

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