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Message: <blockquote data-quote="VVrayven" data-source="post: 810860" data-attributes="member: 9950">Heya Guys! (what's Wotcher mean?)"From what I gather, most satisfaction in sodomy is to the penetrator hence receiving is the only proficiency, as it is used by the recipient against the penetrator.We could allow a penetration prof, as satisfaction is possible, it is difficult (cue penalties)."Works for me. That concurs with my experience and those I've talked to. I only brought it up because I know we're being strict and I had heard rumors."Erm... ahh... I’ll get back to you on this one."You better. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> <giggle>"You’ve somewhat omitted any calculations featuring satisfaction for men. Whilst they cannot sustain quite so many Climaxed states, their DC is significantly lower, hence each orgasm gives more satisfaction tha a woman, given identical rolls. I (roughly) assume this works out to be pretty much on a level with women."You are correct, I did forget. JAVA Girl is absent minded sometimes... However, I still maintain that an average encounter is still only going to have one or two male climaxs and as is, the DC difference will account for a +1 gratification difference per climax overall... That's fine when it's low level, but at higher levels it becomes a signifigant difference. However, higher level prowess people are likely to be more experienced and thus try for more male climaxes. In the end I guess it's fine. It just takes a LONG time to get a male to climb the chart because of all those 10 minute waits. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />"My personal opinion on the matter is that it is fine"Okay. With the Arts I don't think it is much of a problem either. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />"Hmmm... +2. And the system, may I add, is absolutely fantastic. I couldn’t have managed anything near as good myself."<blush> Thanks. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />"To address your other point, we will, of course, require a little good sense where DMs are concerned Caress (breasts) will have little effect on a male partner, if any."Okay. Just wanted to point it out."I’d suggest that most proficiencies be impossible whilst in clothing. Caressing would be possible but with a penalty of -2 to -6 based on thickness of clothing (impossible on opponents wearing armour). Some rules for time spent removing clothing, or unbuckling essential areas, would be appreciated from the team at large. Perhaps 3e armour style: Don, Remove, Remove Hastily ()."Fine Fine, you talked me in to it. Ask and you shall recieve!ClothingClothing Set-------------WGT----COST----TYPE------NOTESArtisan’s Outfit---------4 lb.--1 gp----LIGHT-----Cleric’s Vestments-------6 lb.--5 gp----MODERATE--Cold Weather Outfit------7 lb.--8 gp----HEAVY-----Courtier’s Outfit--------6 lb.--30 gp---MODERATE--USUALLY COMPLEXEntertainer’s Outfit-----4 lb.--3 gp----LIGHT-----Explorer’s Outfit--------8 lb.--10 gp---MODERATE--Monk’s Outfit------------2 lb.--5 gp----LIGHT-----Noble’s Outfit-----------10 lb.-75 gp---HEAVY-----USUALLY COMPLEXPeasant’s Outfit---------2 lb.--1 sp----LIGHT-----Royal Outfit-------------15 lb.-200 gp--HEAVY-----USUALLY COMPLEXScholar’s Outfit---------6 lb.--5 gp----LIGHT-----Traveler’s Outfit--------5 lb.--1 gp----MODERATE--Harlot's Outfit----------4 lb.--6 gp----LIGHT-----USUALLY EASY ACCESSCourtesan’s Outfit-------5 lb.--60 gp---MODERATE--Concubine's Outfit-------2 lb.--* gp----LACE------Desert Outfit------------3 lb.--6 gp----LIGHT-----Bodysuit, Black----------1 lb.--30 gp---LIGHT-----Eleborate Jewelry--------1 lb.--* gp--------------Undergarments------------1 lb.--* gp----LACE------*Cost is greatly variableTYPE------DON-----HASTY------REMOVE----Rend----Rip DC---Penalty--ExposeLACE------2 rnd---1 rnd------1 rnd-----1 hp-----10-------(-2)-----0LIGHT-----1 min---5 rnd------5 rnd-----4 hp-----20-------(-4)-----5MODERATE--2 min---1 min------1 min-----8 hp-----30-------(-8)-----10HEAVY-----4 min---2 min------2 min-----15 hp----40-------(**)-----15Clothing that is Hastily donned might give a -1 to diplomacy and the like.Remove times assume you are working quickly and not destroying the garment. If you have help, cut the time in half. Removing clothing is a full-round action.It is possible to cut off clothing, this requires a standard action and must be done delicately (some kind of check) or you risk hurting the wearer. Each garment has hp equal, this includes ALL parts of the garment. Note that each clothing type above assumes that the one below it exists, thus, MODERATE clothing assumes you have a LIGHT and LACE on underneath, thus if 4 hp of MODERATE were destroyed, the person would now be wearing LIGHT (and LACE). It is also possible to completly rip off clothing all together. The RIP DC is a STR check against the listed DC, if successful, the person is now nude. (Optionally, for every DC 10 you make, you could rip down to the next layer, thus a DC 30 against HEAVY could reduce them to LACE...)Any Sexual Prof is possible through LACE all at a -2 penalty. If the DM rules the LACE to be totally unabtrusive, such as a intercourse with the lady in nothing but a shift, the penalty can be reduced to a -1 or even 0.Prowess checks can be made through LIGHT and MODERATE clothing, but only at the listed penalty and only those that don't involve oral or penetration. Prowess checks through HEAVY clothing types is impossible without special circumstances.Exposing - It is possible to expose vital parts of the body so that prowess checks can be made with more freedom. By making a DEX check a single part of the body can be made accessible (these are usually the genitals, but the DM could rule otherwise). Exposing allows penetration and oral profs to be used, and halves the prowess penalty. If HEAVY clothing is exposed, the penalty is a -8.Special Types of Clothing:COMPLEX - Complex clothing has lots of strings, lace, ties, and is generally a pain to get into and out of. Complex clothing requires doubles all DONNING and REMOVING times and cannot ever be DONNED HASTILY. All EXPOSE checks have their DCs raised by 5 in complex clothing and the prowess penalties are increased by -2.EASY ACCESS - These clothes are meant to allow people to gain sexual access to them. They are always considered EXPOSED, although the garmet DOES cover the vital areas in some fashion.This needs serious fleshing out, but what do you think?Well, that's about it for right now. I might post a little bit later. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I've still got those two sexual arts that are still on the drawing board.... <sigh> I'll get them done sometime.I can't wait to see your KINKS section DbS. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I haven't heard from Gez in a while either... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />  But Lily posted a little while ago. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Take care all. Wrayven out for now...</blockquote>

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