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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 871390" data-attributes="member: 8461">I just wanted to offer a bit of feedback, having read this over. I know I'm coming in late on this topic, so if I'm treading where an area has already been covered, let me know people.This section strikes me as slightly unclear. From what I gather, it means that when you spend ranks on Prowess, you take either Prowess (Basic Proficiencies) or Prowess (Exotic Proficiencies), since "either can be taken as a rank", right? That means that someone with five ranks in Prowess (Basic) can use those whether penetrating, masturbating, toys, etc., and someone with five ranks in Prowess (Exotic) would be able to apply that to DSM, pillowtalk, etc.If that's how it works, I'm suggesting a mild rewrite to make that more clear, since I had to reread that part several times over to understand that those were the two groups, and each subcategory was not its own group. Of course, if I understood wrongly, then that doesn't say much for that section's clarity either. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />This may be opening up a new complication, but should that hold true when using a Prowess check against onesself? Unless there are some hefty situational modifiers, for the most part you're going to be able to get yourself off when masturbating. Maybe its me, but those two sentences seem a tad bit redundant.Does this allow for the possibility that the one doing the grappling can also make the check? It would seem, from what I understand, that a person can't continue to grapple and make a Prowess check on the person they're grappling since that'd be too many actions, which is certainly what a lone rapist would do.This seems to indicate that you can make more than one Prowess check at a time, and that you can make more than just one Prowess check per minute, which isn't what the above sentences say. Confusing.Nice to see those non-entry's for states of arousal lower than the current one. Having numbers for those confused me on the website.Will there be options (feats, spells, etc) to let the character making the successful Prowess check raise the DC here? This seems like a good place for such things.    What I said for the last section applies here too, generally speaking. Perhaps a feat to grant a bonus to that Fort save, or one that, owing to how desire is somewhat a mental state, makes it a Will save (as if it was an exotic Prowess check), etc.So the results of the Prowess check also last for a full ten rounds? I can see why this is a point of contention. Just to clarify, spending those consecutive ten rounds (one minute) in Climax or Ecstacy only counts as one single sexual release, correct? So a character who has their Climax DC reached 3 times consecutively has had three full-minute orgasms, not 30 smaller orgasms.I might be nitpicking just a tad bit too much, but I assume the "encounter ends" means that no more Prowess checks are being made, correct? Or is it more open, since a pair who copulated for a while, then fell asleep when they were done, and then did it again when they awoke, could conceivably all be seen as one long sexual encounter, so gratification would be totalled together for that night and morning in that sense.So its rounds? But assuming that orgasms last a full ten rounds (since you can only make a Prowess check that often), then that means that gratification will always be inherently high (and the table for what that means will thus have to be revised), since even a mild orgasm will last ten rounds, and thus be gratification 10.No more Will save to avoid that? Interesting.Another example that seems to violate the "only one check per minute and at a time" part from above.Shouldn't that be "any other Prowess checks (against other partners)"? I find it hard to believe that a character being penetrated, and thus making a free CHA check back, has no penalty for that to any action they may undertake that round. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  I know I'm nitpicking terms here, but someone has to.This seems slightly odd. You can't use exotic dancing to arouse a partner? People go to clubs for the very purpose of having their physical state shifted from None to Aroused (and often times higher than that)....which seems to contradict what was just said...This seems a bit too specific given that the ways you can use the exotic arousal techniques are all caught under the skill Prowess (Exotic). That means that they have proficiency in all the exotic forms just as well, so switching techniques shouldn't be a problem.Assuming I was wrong above and you do actually take different ranks in the different sub-techniques (i.e. Prowess (exotic dancing) vs Prowess (masturbation), etc.) then I would advocate that, when switching techniques in the same ten-round span, you can keep your bonus if you have ranks in both the techniques that you are shifting from and to.Sodomy seems slightly out of place here, as its based on receiving it (which I interpret to mean its very much like masturbating in that you're using it to feel pleasure yourself, since the other person is penetrating you), so you can't really use that on your partner (unless that includes knowing just when to clench and unclench those muscles). Ditto for masturbating, since touching your partner like that counts as caressing, not masturbating. All of this assumes that you must still declare what you're specifically doing, since the ranks of Prowess are themselves so broad (or I was wrong in my initial assumption).The implication here is that you can't use normal Prowess checks on more than one person...which seems somewhat conflicted above.Ditto for what I said before about having feats, spells, etc. for adding or subtracting modifiers here. You guys probably already have these, but I just wanted to mention it anyway.One last thing I wanted to toss out there is that under the section detailing specific races and sex, Tieflings got an entry, but Aasimars didn't. That should, IMHO, be fixed. There's no being touched like a plantouched, after all. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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