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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 873409" data-attributes="member: 8461"><p>This part has been causing me some confusion, and I think I finally figured out why. More on that below... </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I just wanted to mention that it seems rather restrictive to limit what you take with each rank to one type of one proficiency of Prowess. I can understand the rationale though, and while it works better at lower levels, it makes it kind of difficult if you want to make a character who is supposed to be some sort of sex-deity (figuratively speaking). The way it is now, with the listings we've got, there are literally three dozen different types of Prowess you can take. Even a 20th level character would only be able to have a few, and would be a complete novice in the other of dozens of sexual acts. While I can see this for other proficiencies, a person who has +23 ranks in Prowess (Penetrative: Rear) shouldn't be making just a CHA check on Prowess (Penetrative: Riding). Why would it be that someone who has maximum ranks for Prowess (Pillow Talk: Sweet) can't use them for Prowess (Pillow Talk: Poetic)? However, like I said, there are places where the rational is rather obvious. Someone with Prowess in cunnilingus wouldn't necessarily know anything about fellatio, for example. </p><p></p><p>My suggestion is that, when you have ranks in one subproficiency (i.e. you have ranks in Prowess (lapdancing)) you have a +2 synergy bonus when making a Prowess check for some other act from that same proficiency (i.e. that character with lapdance ranks gets a +2 synergy bonus when poledancing...this means a character making a Prowess check for an act they have no ranks in adds a +2 bonus to what is otherwise a CHA check). This rewards people who otherwise take very similar Prowess ranks, since then taking ranks in another form of the same proficiency already has them with a +2 bonus due to the other, and encourages (or at least seems to encourage) characters who specialize in one form of erotic knowledge.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Etc. there should be "etc." with the quotation marks, for clarity.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is what I was talking about above. It seems, in all honestly, to be rather redundant to split Sodomy up like this at all, especially given that the part about passive Prowess checks when being penetrated.</p><p></p><p>Essentially, the way it stands now, Sodomy, as not being part of the Penetrative proficiency for entering, means that the receiver doesn't make a passive Prowess check back, so the sodomizer isn't going to be pleasured at all unless the person they're sodomizing has ranks in Sodomy (receiving).</p><p></p><p>The way it was before (in part 1.4 and previous) made more sense in that respect. My recommendation is to completely remove Sodomy as its own proficiency, and instead list it (as thrusting, obvious) in Penetrative.</p><p></p><p>What seems to be lacking here is, looking over the various proficiencies...what proficiency in Prowess do women make when they want to take ranks to use back on a man when being penetrated? There doesn't seem to be one, and instead there is the option to apparently use ranks in Prowess (of any form, it seems) back on the penetrater. Essentially, anyone being penetrated has Prowess (Receiving thrusting) and can shift (apparently) all their ranks to it.</p><p></p><p>My recommendation here is to add a basic proficiency for Receiving (vaginal, anal), and to amend that free Prowess check when being penetrated so that it says that, when being penetrated, a character can either use ranks in Prowess (Receiving) as a normal action, or can make a free (rank 0) Prowess (Receiving) check while taking a normal Prowess check also.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As a minor nitpick, the "DC modifiers" should be listed right next to "Technique Suitability". They're hard to miss otherwise, and it could then be assumed they're applied to the roll instead of the DC.</p><p></p><p>Sorry to be suggesting such comparatively large revisions at the eleventh hour. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 873409, member: 8461"] This part has been causing me some confusion, and I think I finally figured out why. More on that below... I just wanted to mention that it seems rather restrictive to limit what you take with each rank to one type of one proficiency of Prowess. I can understand the rationale though, and while it works better at lower levels, it makes it kind of difficult if you want to make a character who is supposed to be some sort of sex-deity (figuratively speaking). The way it is now, with the listings we've got, there are literally three dozen different types of Prowess you can take. Even a 20th level character would only be able to have a few, and would be a complete novice in the other of dozens of sexual acts. While I can see this for other proficiencies, a person who has +23 ranks in Prowess (Penetrative: Rear) shouldn't be making just a CHA check on Prowess (Penetrative: Riding). Why would it be that someone who has maximum ranks for Prowess (Pillow Talk: Sweet) can't use them for Prowess (Pillow Talk: Poetic)? However, like I said, there are places where the rational is rather obvious. Someone with Prowess in cunnilingus wouldn't necessarily know anything about fellatio, for example. My suggestion is that, when you have ranks in one subproficiency (i.e. you have ranks in Prowess (lapdancing)) you have a +2 synergy bonus when making a Prowess check for some other act from that same proficiency (i.e. that character with lapdance ranks gets a +2 synergy bonus when poledancing...this means a character making a Prowess check for an act they have no ranks in adds a +2 bonus to what is otherwise a CHA check). This rewards people who otherwise take very similar Prowess ranks, since then taking ranks in another form of the same proficiency already has them with a +2 bonus due to the other, and encourages (or at least seems to encourage) characters who specialize in one form of erotic knowledge. Etc. there should be "etc." with the quotation marks, for clarity. This is what I was talking about above. It seems, in all honestly, to be rather redundant to split Sodomy up like this at all, especially given that the part about passive Prowess checks when being penetrated. Essentially, the way it stands now, Sodomy, as not being part of the Penetrative proficiency for entering, means that the receiver doesn't make a passive Prowess check back, so the sodomizer isn't going to be pleasured at all unless the person they're sodomizing has ranks in Sodomy (receiving). The way it was before (in part 1.4 and previous) made more sense in that respect. My recommendation is to completely remove Sodomy as its own proficiency, and instead list it (as thrusting, obvious) in Penetrative. What seems to be lacking here is, looking over the various proficiencies...what proficiency in Prowess do women make when they want to take ranks to use back on a man when being penetrated? There doesn't seem to be one, and instead there is the option to apparently use ranks in Prowess (of any form, it seems) back on the penetrater. Essentially, anyone being penetrated has Prowess (Receiving thrusting) and can shift (apparently) all their ranks to it. My recommendation here is to add a basic proficiency for Receiving (vaginal, anal), and to amend that free Prowess check when being penetrated so that it says that, when being penetrated, a character can either use ranks in Prowess (Receiving) as a normal action, or can make a free (rank 0) Prowess (Receiving) check while taking a normal Prowess check also. As a minor nitpick, the "DC modifiers" should be listed right next to "Technique Suitability". They're hard to miss otherwise, and it could then be assumed they're applied to the roll instead of the DC. Sorry to be suggesting such comparatively large revisions at the eleventh hour. :( [/QUOTE]
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