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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 878819" data-attributes="member: 8461">My bad!I ultimately see this as slicing it very thinly though. The act of Sodomy is itself a penetrative act.What's more, as I pointed out, this apparently leaves it that the sodomizer has no Prowess proficiency for commiting Sodomy on another. This makes it a non-action, as far as Prowess is concerned, meaning that he'd be able to make another Prowess roll freely on something else at the same time, since Sodomizing someone else doesn't require one this way.Conceivably, most DMs would get around this by just adding it to the Penetrative list, but then the extra listing by itself becomes superfluous, since women take Penetrative techniques also to be on the receiving end. Sodomy in that instance would just be more confusing, all the more so given the DC mods are the same.Its not that its being stated twice that bothers me though. Its that the same thing is being stated differently each time in that instance (emphasis mine):A penalty to the roll is different from an increase to the DC. The current language seems to suggest these are added concurrently, making the penalty here double. This problem of language doesn't happen elsewhere, since Exhausted, for example, says its a DC increase both times.</blockquote>