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<blockquote data-quote="efreund" data-source="post: 7926425" data-attributes="member: 6799797">I was operating under the assumption that all the &quot;big players&quot; were at the same (max) level:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Harkover Lee</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">King Aodhan</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Leon Quital</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Asrabey Varal</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Kasavarina</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Nicodemus??</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Grandis Komanov</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Pemberton</li>
</ul>Which roughly comes out to CL 15 for everybody.&nbsp; (Though if you parse the exact stats (in PF), some things are weird; for example, 'varina is a gish, Lee is mostly racial HD with just 3 class levels, and Nic's build is so weird that the devs put a note in the statblock to that end.&nbsp; And I'm just speculating on Komanov and Pemberton, who aren't statted out prior to the Great Eclipse.)The only things in the entire world that are more powerful than &quot;the 15 cap&quot; are the fey titans, as they are effectively gods.&nbsp; Oh, and Borne.&nbsp; (Though neither titans nor Borne got that way through class levels.)I see a few routes forward with dealing with Grappa:1) something about the gaes prevented the transfer of the information from his old body into his new body; the protected data literally died with his fleshly body and never made it into his C3PO body2) something about the gaes interacts with his circuitry such that attempting to access that data will cause a failsafe to activate, which would kill Grappa.&nbsp; This then becomes a problem to solve (vaguely like that one subplot in Rise of Skywalker).&nbsp; Maybe Tinker Oddcog could help with this?3) just let him spill the beans, and reward the players.&nbsp; I'm not sure how it really hurts the campaign to let this information out early.&nbsp; From what I understand, everything Grappa knows gets revealed at ObCon in adv7.&nbsp; I wouldn't reveal Axis Island, of course, but the general plan of &quot;I educated him on planar stuff so we could reprogram the stars&quot; seems fair to reveal at this point.&nbsp; It doesn't knock adv6 or adv7 off course .... but I'm sure there's an angle I haven't thought through yet....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="efreund, post: 7926425, member: 6799797"] I was operating under the assumption that all the "big players" were at the same (max) level: [LIST] [*]Harkover Lee [*]King Aodhan [*]Leon Quital [*]Asrabey Varal [*]Kasavarina [*]Nicodemus?? [*]Grandis Komanov [*]Pemberton [/LIST] Which roughly comes out to CL 15 for everybody. (Though if you parse the exact stats (in PF), some things are weird; for example, 'varina is a gish, Lee is mostly racial HD with just 3 class levels, and Nic's build is so weird that the devs put a note in the statblock to that end. And I'm just speculating on Komanov and Pemberton, who aren't statted out prior to the Great Eclipse.) The only things in the entire world that are more powerful than "the 15 cap" are the fey titans, as they are effectively gods. Oh, and Borne. (Though neither titans nor Borne got that way through class levels.) I see a few routes forward with dealing with Grappa: 1) something about the gaes prevented the transfer of the information from his old body into his new body; the protected data literally died with his fleshly body and never made it into his C3PO body 2) something about the gaes interacts with his circuitry such that attempting to access that data will cause a failsafe to activate, which would kill Grappa. This then becomes a problem to solve (vaguely like that one subplot in Rise of Skywalker). Maybe Tinker Oddcog could help with this? 3) just let him spill the beans, and reward the players. I'm not sure how it really hurts the campaign to let this information out early. From what I understand, everything Grappa knows gets revealed at ObCon in adv7. I wouldn't reveal Axis Island, of course, but the general plan of "I educated him on planar stuff so we could reprogram the stars" seems fair to reveal at this point. It doesn't knock adv6 or adv7 off course .... but I'm sure there's an angle I haven't thought through yet.... [/QUOTE]

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