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<blockquote data-quote="Mouseferatu" data-source="post: 4514377" data-attributes="member: 1288">As written, it occurs after, since the push effect is part of the primary attack and the secondary attack occurs once the primary is resolved.If you wanted to house rule it to occur before, that wouldn't break anything. Just make sure you're consistent one way or the other. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp;Afraid not. Because they're designed around similar conjuration powers (like some of the cleric's), they're really more summoned &quot;effects&quot; than actual creatures. One of the results of that is that they cannot make OAs, or do anything without explicit command from their creators. This makes them ineligible to provide flanking bonuses.(Plus, it'd make the prayers overpowered as currently written.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mouseferatu, post: 4514377, member: 1288"] As written, it occurs after, since the push effect is part of the primary attack and the secondary attack occurs once the primary is resolved. If you wanted to house rule it to occur before, that wouldn't break anything. Just make sure you're consistent one way or the other. :) Afraid not. Because they're designed around similar conjuration powers (like some of the cleric's), they're really more summoned "effects" than actual creatures. One of the results of that is that they cannot make OAs, or do anything without explicit command from their creators. This makes them ineligible to provide flanking bonuses. (Plus, it'd make the prayers overpowered as currently written.) [/QUOTE]

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