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<blockquote data-quote="Fishbone" data-source="post: 5698714" data-attributes="member: 40849">I thought +4/+2/-2 wasn't on the table. What is that costed at?I see the Drow Noble of +4 Dexterity and +2 to all mental stats, -2 Constitution as 4 points and I don't buy that one at all. It is advanced level though.Greater Paragon being a -1 point discount doesn't fly unless a DM is really willing to dump on somebody for having Dump Stats. Starting at 20 off the bat is too easy.Edit: I think there will be many, many humans who lose their ability to speak, so to speak. Linguist may be worth something, but it isn't two points. Not when Improved Initiative is 2 points, when Low Light Vision or a +10 untyped bonus to speed is 1, when things like Stubborn and Weapon Familiarity are 1 point. Lots of humans are going to start speaking Common quick, fast and in a hurry. Particularly when there is a skill that gives people the ability to speak languages, Linguist. This is even before magic and magical devices that give people the ability to speak and understand them, even give telepathy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fishbone, post: 5698714, member: 40849"] I thought +4/+2/-2 wasn't on the table. What is that costed at? I see the Drow Noble of +4 Dexterity and +2 to all mental stats, -2 Constitution as 4 points and I don't buy that one at all. It is advanced level though. Greater Paragon being a -1 point discount doesn't fly unless a DM is really willing to dump on somebody for having Dump Stats. Starting at 20 off the bat is too easy. Edit: I think there will be many, many humans who lose their ability to speak, so to speak. Linguist may be worth something, but it isn't two points. Not when Improved Initiative is 2 points, when Low Light Vision or a +10 untyped bonus to speed is 1, when things like Stubborn and Weapon Familiarity are 1 point. Lots of humans are going to start speaking Common quick, fast and in a hurry. Particularly when there is a skill that gives people the ability to speak languages, Linguist. This is even before magic and magical devices that give people the ability to speak and understand them, even give telepathy. [/QUOTE]

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