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<blockquote data-quote="BriarMonkey" data-source="post: 5702908" data-attributes="member: 95387">I don't think Golden's guide is a panacea, any more than Savage Species was to 3e (and yes, I know that book had a lot of issues).&nbsp; Just like this is a preliminary release, I don't think it is a panacea either.Every GM I have ever chatted with about creating races or templates, or determining the value of a race or template has always had differing opinions.&nbsp; In my old 3e campaign, I ruled that the half-dragon template was a 4-level level adjustment to anyone who took it.&nbsp; The other GM in our group used a 3-level level adjustment.&nbsp; One of my friends said he wouldn't let it in the game at under a 5- or 6-level level adjustment.&nbsp; None of us agreed although we could all see each other's reasoning.Where I think that all these differing resources do help, and can help a lot, is to provide the GM a starting point, a basis from which they can figure out what works for their campaign world, and what doesn't.&nbsp; From there, they can fiddle and create something that works for them.I doubt all of us would ever agree to all the point values, but for those that feel they are off base, they have a point with which to start.&nbsp; This is true whether using a guide like Golden's or the Advanced Player's Guide from Paizo.For my part, this is something I am going to watch closely as it presents me with a lot of ideas.&nbsp; When I get some time, I'd definitely going to fiddle and see where my sensibilities tell me the points should lay.&nbsp; But on first blush, I think it's a good start.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BriarMonkey, post: 5702908, member: 95387"] I don't think Golden's guide is a panacea, any more than Savage Species was to 3e (and yes, I know that book had a lot of issues). Just like this is a preliminary release, I don't think it is a panacea either. Every GM I have ever chatted with about creating races or templates, or determining the value of a race or template has always had differing opinions. In my old 3e campaign, I ruled that the half-dragon template was a 4-level level adjustment to anyone who took it. The other GM in our group used a 3-level level adjustment. One of my friends said he wouldn't let it in the game at under a 5- or 6-level level adjustment. None of us agreed although we could all see each other's reasoning. Where I think that all these differing resources do help, and can help a lot, is to provide the GM a starting point, a basis from which they can figure out what works for their campaign world, and what doesn't. From there, they can fiddle and create something that works for them. I doubt all of us would ever agree to all the point values, but for those that feel they are off base, they have a point with which to start. This is true whether using a guide like Golden's or the Advanced Player's Guide from Paizo. For my part, this is something I am going to watch closely as it presents me with a lot of ideas. When I get some time, I'd definitely going to fiddle and see where my sensibilities tell me the points should lay. But on first blush, I think it's a good start. [/QUOTE]

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