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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 3775393" data-attributes="member: 467">Some of the stuff I like went out with 3.5 -- race/class combo limits (I am not as big a fan of level limits, tho), fast and abstract combat, strong character class archetypes and slow advancement, as examples -- and some things they have already said will be leaving in 4E -- save or die effects and vancian magic (nearly) come to mind.  Plus, there's a whole list of thinsg they are adding in that don't sound good to me -- action points as the default, even easier multiclassing, cool powers for one and all, etc...The problem isn't why they are adavancing so quickly, it is simply that they are -- that advancement in level and the acquisition of cookies (be they class abilities or gear or whatever) is more important than the play of the game itself.  Or rather, that advancement is becoming -- obviously because the target audience deems it so -- as important as all that other stuff I was talking about.I'm just frustrated because I am no longer in D&D's target demographic, I guess.</blockquote>