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<blockquote data-quote="MortalPlague" data-source="post: 5963895" data-attributes="member: 62721">Oh, that's a good way to do it.&nbsp; I like it.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The example he posted dealt with a DM and a player counting their advantages / disadvantages in an arms race.&nbsp; In my 4th Edition game right now, it's the same thing, except with bonuses.&nbsp; And it's my least favorite part of the game.Player 1: &quot;I attack the orc.&nbsp; I have +2 for combat advantage, and I'm using my amulet to get another +3 to hit.&quot;Player 2: &quot;Don't forget you get a +4 because I hit him with Shield Bash last turn.&quot;Player 1: &quot;Right, thanks.&nbsp; So that's +9, plus my normal bonus.&quot;DM: &quot;But there's fog, so the orc has concealment, which is -2.&nbsp; And the orc is a blademaster, and you're in his aura, which means you take a further -2 on attack rolls.&nbsp; So that's only +5.&quot;Player 1: &quot;Alright, I activate my bracers, which negates concealment for a round...&quot;With advantage / disadvantage stacking, it would go something like this:Player 1: &quot;I attack the orc.&nbsp; I have advantage because I'm flanking.&quot;DM: &quot;Yeah, but the orc is a blademaster, anyone next to him has disadvantage.&quot;Player 1: &quot;Fine, normal roll then.&quot;Less time spent trying to ferret out every bonus or penalty, more time rolling to hit the orc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MortalPlague, post: 5963895, member: 62721"] Oh, that's a good way to do it. I like it. :) The example he posted dealt with a DM and a player counting their advantages / disadvantages in an arms race. In my 4th Edition game right now, it's the same thing, except with bonuses. And it's my least favorite part of the game. Player 1: "I attack the orc. I have +2 for combat advantage, and I'm using my amulet to get another +3 to hit." Player 2: "Don't forget you get a +4 because I hit him with Shield Bash last turn." Player 1: "Right, thanks. So that's +9, plus my normal bonus." DM: "But there's fog, so the orc has concealment, which is -2. And the orc is a blademaster, and you're in his aura, which means you take a further -2 on attack rolls. So that's only +5." Player 1: "Alright, I activate my bracers, which negates concealment for a round..." With advantage / disadvantage stacking, it would go something like this: Player 1: "I attack the orc. I have advantage because I'm flanking." DM: "Yeah, but the orc is a blademaster, anyone next to him has disadvantage." Player 1: "Fine, normal roll then." Less time spent trying to ferret out every bonus or penalty, more time rolling to hit the orc. [/QUOTE]

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