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<blockquote data-quote="GMMichael" data-source="post: 6544901" data-attributes="member: 6685730"><p>@<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=10479" target="_blank">Mark CMG</a></u></strong></em>, good quote. The online basic rules don't go into that depth, so I'm glad you found a better source for me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The issue I raised was (explicit or not): how valuable is ADV/DIS on average? I've seen only one refutation of the question I was asking, from @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=80924" target="_blank">fjw70</a></u></strong></em>, who may have provided the key to the puzzle. (Yes, puzzles have keys.)</p><p></p><p> @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6939" target="_blank">Coredump</a></u></strong></em>: I'm going to assume your argument is invalid based on this: if I roll a 1 and a 20, my advantage benefit is +19 or +0, an average of +9.5, which is better than +5. Did you mean the average benefit is never greater than +5?</p><p></p><p>fjw70 made me ask myself: does advantage's advantage depend on sequence of rolls? Can advantage be said to grant a benefit if both rolls are made at the same time? My method assumed that the rolls did not depend on order, and that advantage was always increasing the result of the lower roll to the higher roll. Question 1: why is this incorrect?</p><p></p><p>Now if I say order is important, that advantage <em>always follows</em> a normal roll, this means that the second roll is worthless if it is equal to or lower than the first. In this case, advantage has granted no advantage at all. This will significantly lower the average bonus, but it also seems to state that almost half of the time (get this): <strong>advantage negates itself</strong>. Actually, over half the time, since equal results on the dice are effectively no advantage, too. </p><p></p><p>The average benefit from this method is: 3.325. </p><p></p><p>Question(s) 2:</p><p>So is @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6789257" target="_blank">Gecko85</a></u></strong></em> right (3.325), and advantage usually isn't advantage at all?</p><p>Or am I right (6.65), and advantage is always advantageous?</p><p>What's another possibility?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMMichael, post: 6544901, member: 6685730"] @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=10479"]Mark CMG[/URL][/U][/B][/I], good quote. The online basic rules don't go into that depth, so I'm glad you found a better source for me. The issue I raised was (explicit or not): how valuable is ADV/DIS on average? I've seen only one refutation of the question I was asking, from @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=80924"]fjw70[/URL][/U][/B][/I], who may have provided the key to the puzzle. (Yes, puzzles have keys.) @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6939"]Coredump[/URL][/U][/B][/I]: I'm going to assume your argument is invalid based on this: if I roll a 1 and a 20, my advantage benefit is +19 or +0, an average of +9.5, which is better than +5. Did you mean the average benefit is never greater than +5? fjw70 made me ask myself: does advantage's advantage depend on sequence of rolls? Can advantage be said to grant a benefit if both rolls are made at the same time? My method assumed that the rolls did not depend on order, and that advantage was always increasing the result of the lower roll to the higher roll. Question 1: why is this incorrect? Now if I say order is important, that advantage [I]always follows[/I] a normal roll, this means that the second roll is worthless if it is equal to or lower than the first. In this case, advantage has granted no advantage at all. This will significantly lower the average bonus, but it also seems to state that almost half of the time (get this): [B]advantage negates itself[/B]. Actually, over half the time, since equal results on the dice are effectively no advantage, too. The average benefit from this method is: 3.325. Question(s) 2: So is @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6789257"]Gecko85[/URL][/U][/B][/I] right (3.325), and advantage usually isn't advantage at all? Or am I right (6.65), and advantage is always advantageous? What's another possibility? [/QUOTE]
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