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<blockquote data-quote="rln" data-source="post: 2416852" data-attributes="member: 2843"><p>OOC: (Well, since I'm down and out, I need to do <em>something</em>... so I might as well help out with obscure rules stuff)[SBLOCK]This is from a <em>Rules of the Game</em> article at <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040713a" target="_blank">Wizards website</a>.</p><p></p><p><strong>Formerly Helpless Creatures</strong></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">It's possible for any creature, friend or foe, to end its movement in a space that contains a helpless creature. Unfortunately, it's also possible for the helpless creature to resume functioning while another creature shares its space. Here are some unofficial suggestions for dealing with the situation.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">The formerly helpless creature must remain prone in its space until its turn. If another creature still shares its space when the formerly helpless creature's turn comes, the formerly helpless creature must either exit the space, force the other creature out, or contest the space.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">To exit the space, the formerly helpless creature must either crawl into an adjacent space that can hold it, or it must stand up and move to an adjacent space that can hold it. Crawling out of the space provokes attacks of opportunity from foes that threaten the space the creature leaves and from foes that threaten the space the creature crawls into (though the creature can tumble as noted in Part 3).</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">If the creature stands up, it provokes attacks of opportunity from foes that threaten the space where it stands up. It also must use either a move action or a 5-foot step to get into an adjacent space. If it uses a move action, it provokes attacks of opportunity from foes that threaten the space it left.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">To force the other creature out of the shared space, the formerly helpless creature makes a bull rush attack against the creature sharing the space. This works just like a normal bull rush, except that if it fails the opposed check to resolve the bull rush, it remains, prone, in the shared space.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">To contest the space, the formerly helpless creature can make a grapple attack on the creature that shares the space. If the formerly helpless creature fails to establish a hold, it remains, prone, in the shared space. If it establishes a hold, it can remain in the shared space and continue to grapple just as it would with any other grapple attempt. (Remember that to maintain a grappling hold an attacker must enter the foe's space.)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">If the formerly helpless creature is small enough (or big enough) to end its movement in the shared space (see above), it can simply remain in the shared space. If it decides to stand up, it provokes attacks of opportunity as normal for standing up.</span>[/SBLOCK]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rln, post: 2416852, member: 2843"] OOC: (Well, since I'm down and out, I need to do [I]something[/I]... so I might as well help out with obscure rules stuff)[SBLOCK]This is from a [I]Rules of the Game[/I] article at [URL=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040713a]Wizards website[/URL]. [B]Formerly Helpless Creatures[/B] [SIZE=1]It's possible for any creature, friend or foe, to end its movement in a space that contains a helpless creature. Unfortunately, it's also possible for the helpless creature to resume functioning while another creature shares its space. Here are some unofficial suggestions for dealing with the situation. The formerly helpless creature must remain prone in its space until its turn. If another creature still shares its space when the formerly helpless creature's turn comes, the formerly helpless creature must either exit the space, force the other creature out, or contest the space. To exit the space, the formerly helpless creature must either crawl into an adjacent space that can hold it, or it must stand up and move to an adjacent space that can hold it. Crawling out of the space provokes attacks of opportunity from foes that threaten the space the creature leaves and from foes that threaten the space the creature crawls into (though the creature can tumble as noted in Part 3). If the creature stands up, it provokes attacks of opportunity from foes that threaten the space where it stands up. It also must use either a move action or a 5-foot step to get into an adjacent space. If it uses a move action, it provokes attacks of opportunity from foes that threaten the space it left. To force the other creature out of the shared space, the formerly helpless creature makes a bull rush attack against the creature sharing the space. This works just like a normal bull rush, except that if it fails the opposed check to resolve the bull rush, it remains, prone, in the shared space. To contest the space, the formerly helpless creature can make a grapple attack on the creature that shares the space. If the formerly helpless creature fails to establish a hold, it remains, prone, in the shared space. If it establishes a hold, it can remain in the shared space and continue to grapple just as it would with any other grapple attempt. (Remember that to maintain a grappling hold an attacker must enter the foe's space.) If the formerly helpless creature is small enough (or big enough) to end its movement in the shared space (see above), it can simply remain in the shared space. If it decides to stand up, it provokes attacks of opportunity as normal for standing up.[/SIZE][/SBLOCK] [/QUOTE]
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