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<blockquote data-quote="SlyFlourish" data-source="post: 9791765" data-attributes="member: 54840">Given how many people homebrew their games anyway and still don't reach high levels, I don't think this is a chicken and egg thing. I think most games don't reach high levels period. It's not because there aren't published high-level adventures (and there are a lot of them from other publishers). It's because most games fizzle out well before those levels anyway.[USER=697]@mearls[/USER] had some actual data on this in the early days of 2014 D&amp;D I think. He got surveys back showing that most groups stopped at like 5th level but then started back over at 1st again the next week. He can correct me if I'm wrong about that.I did my own polls on it here:Question: &quot;What is the highest level D&amp;D campaign you've run or played in?&quot;Poll posted 17 August 2017, 269 respondents.Response&nbsp; &nbsp; % of total1st to 3rd&nbsp; &nbsp; 3%4th to 6th&nbsp; &nbsp; 16%7th to 9th&nbsp; &nbsp; 25%10th to 12th&nbsp; &nbsp; 13%13th to 15th&nbsp; &nbsp; 20%16th to 18th&nbsp; &nbsp; 7%19th to 20th&nbsp; &nbsp; 15%This is an old poll so not up to date but I think it shows my point. Even among my relatively well connected audience (I think this was on twitter), only 3 in 20 ever reached 20th level and less than half ever reached 13th level.I'm about to finish a 20th level campaign I've been running for two years and in the like 11 years I've been playing 5e with close to a thousand games, this is only my second 20th level campaign.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SlyFlourish, post: 9791765, member: 54840"] Given how many people homebrew their games anyway and still don't reach high levels, I don't think this is a chicken and egg thing. I think most games don't reach high levels period. It's not because there aren't published high-level adventures (and there are a lot of them from other publishers). It's because most games fizzle out well before those levels anyway. [USER=697]@mearls[/USER] had some actual data on this in the early days of 2014 D&D I think. He got surveys back showing that most groups stopped at like 5th level but then started back over at 1st again the next week. He can correct me if I'm wrong about that. I did my own polls on it here: Question: "What is the highest level D&D campaign you've run or played in?" Poll posted 17 August 2017, 269 respondents. Response % of total 1st to 3rd 3% 4th to 6th 16% 7th to 9th 25% 10th to 12th 13% 13th to 15th 20% 16th to 18th 7% 19th to 20th 15% This is an old poll so not up to date but I think it shows my point. Even among my relatively well connected audience (I think this was on twitter), only 3 in 20 [I]ever[/I] reached 20th level and less than half ever reached 13th level. I'm about to finish a 20th level campaign I've been running for two years and in the like 11 years I've been playing 5e with close to a thousand games, this is only my second 20th level campaign. [/QUOTE]

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