Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Rocket your D&D 5E and Level Up: Advanced 5E games into space! Alpha Star Magazine Is Launching... Right Now!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Adventurer's Vault masterwork armours
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 4599756" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>Nothing important really. And I'm more and more hesitant to continue this discussion, because I have no quarrel with you.</p><p></p><p>However, because you asked: you seem to have resigned to the fact 4E is some kind of supplement game, where errata aren't supposed to be applied to the product it references.</p><p></p><p>I disagree. That's the short answer! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>The slightly long-winded answer is: I maintain the useful stance to take is to consider the PHB on its own. I'm certainly not going to buy PHB II & III just because Wizard says I need it for my core game. </p><p></p><p>Because I don't. You may think the Druid or Barbarian or Gnome is part of the core game, but it isn't. Anymore than the Warlock and Warlord or Tiefling were part of the core game in 3E.</p><p></p><p>Wizards <em>changed</em> which races, classes etc they offered in the PHB, which I can live with. The Sorcerer isn't any more core than the Warlock. 3E isn't some kind of baseline here. The new set of options in the PHB offers as complete a game as did the 3E PHB.</p><p></p><p>Now, if Wizards would have left out a crucial gameplay rule, and waited until PHB II to introduce it, then you'd have a point. Then you could say "we need PHBII to play D&D". But because we don't, it's <strong>optional</strong>.</p><p></p><p>You don't <strong>need</strong> to buy the supplements to play D&D. </p><p></p><p>In fact, if enough of us adopt your resigned stance, then Wizard would get away with awful business decisions like the one about AV MW. On the other hand, whatever we do not accept will not be repeated. The customer tells the manufacturer what to do through voting with their wallets.</p><p></p><p>So please reconsider. That would be my answer. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 4599756, member: 12731"] Nothing important really. And I'm more and more hesitant to continue this discussion, because I have no quarrel with you. However, because you asked: you seem to have resigned to the fact 4E is some kind of supplement game, where errata aren't supposed to be applied to the product it references. I disagree. That's the short answer! :) The slightly long-winded answer is: I maintain the useful stance to take is to consider the PHB on its own. I'm certainly not going to buy PHB II & III just because Wizard says I need it for my core game. Because I don't. You may think the Druid or Barbarian or Gnome is part of the core game, but it isn't. Anymore than the Warlock and Warlord or Tiefling were part of the core game in 3E. Wizards [I]changed[/I] which races, classes etc they offered in the PHB, which I can live with. The Sorcerer isn't any more core than the Warlock. 3E isn't some kind of baseline here. The new set of options in the PHB offers as complete a game as did the 3E PHB. Now, if Wizards would have left out a crucial gameplay rule, and waited until PHB II to introduce it, then you'd have a point. Then you could say "we need PHBII to play D&D". But because we don't, it's [B]optional[/B]. You don't [B]need[/B] to buy the supplements to play D&D. In fact, if enough of us adopt your resigned stance, then Wizard would get away with awful business decisions like the one about AV MW. On the other hand, whatever we do not accept will not be repeated. The customer tells the manufacturer what to do through voting with their wallets. So please reconsider. That would be my answer. :) [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Adventurer's Vault masterwork armours
Top
