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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 4707537" data-attributes="member: 18280">Agreed.Sometimes, in order to facilitate a discussion, one has to devise a lexicon of terminology that is seperate from everyday usage.&nbsp; This happens in philosophy all the time, for example.&nbsp; The more one travels away from the pathways of everyday thought, the more one has to consider the use of specific terms to identiy (or to differentiate) the things being talked about.The term &quot;hook&quot; implies that the being who follows the &quot;hook&quot; has been &quot;hooked&quot;.&nbsp; The similarity to fishing ought to be fairly obvious.In a post above, I attempted to differentiate between hooks that are intended to give players enough knowledge to make PC decisions and hooks that are intended to initiate a specific adventure.Likewise, while the adventure is the series of actual occurances in the game, arising from the situation and the PC goals (whether through a hook or not), there is a difference between an adventure that arises from player goals and one that has a definite GM goal.&nbsp; Again, perhaps these require different terms, such as &quot;sandbox adventure&quot; and &quot;serial adventure&quot;.&nbsp; This is, IMHO, and AFAICT, the difference that caused Celebrim to suggest terminology to differentiate between the two.One could then talk intelligently about &quot;sandbox encounters&quot; in a &quot;serial adventure&quot;, and &quot;serial encounters&quot; in a &quot;sandbox adventure&quot;.&nbsp; Until there is some form of terminology to discuss the basic precepts, attempts at intelligent conversation are ultimately futile.Thus the cry that &quot;They are both adventures!&nbsp; They are both the same!&quot; and the inability to effectively communicate the difference.This is the same problem with saying that Animal A and Animal B are the same, because they are both mammals.&nbsp; Until one is willing to examine terms beyond that broad classification, one cannot conclude that Animal A is a polar bear and Animal B is a pine martin, and therefore while very similar in some ways, also very different in others.IMHO, of course.RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 4707537, member: 18280"] Agreed. Sometimes, in order to facilitate a discussion, one has to devise a lexicon of terminology that is seperate from everyday usage. This happens in philosophy all the time, for example. The more one travels away from the pathways of everyday thought, the more one has to consider the use of specific terms to identiy (or to differentiate) the things being talked about. The term "hook" implies that the being who follows the "hook" has been "hooked". The similarity to fishing ought to be fairly obvious. In a post above, I attempted to differentiate between hooks that are intended to give players enough knowledge to make PC decisions and hooks that are intended to initiate a specific adventure. Likewise, while the adventure is the series of actual occurances in the game, arising from the situation and the PC goals (whether through a hook or not), there is a difference between an adventure that arises from player goals and one that has a definite GM goal. Again, perhaps these require different terms, such as "sandbox adventure" and "serial adventure". This is, IMHO, and AFAICT, the difference that caused Celebrim to suggest terminology to differentiate between the two. One could then talk intelligently about "sandbox encounters" in a "serial adventure", and "serial encounters" in a "sandbox adventure". Until there is some form of terminology to discuss the basic precepts, attempts at intelligent conversation are ultimately futile. Thus the cry that "They are both adventures! They are both the same!" and the inability to effectively communicate the difference. This is the same problem with saying that Animal A and Animal B are the same, because they are both mammals. Until one is willing to examine terms beyond that broad classification, one cannot conclude that Animal A is a polar bear and Animal B is a pine martin, and therefore while very similar in some ways, also very different in others. IMHO, of course. RC [/QUOTE]

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