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<blockquote data-quote="slobo777" data-source="post: 6012449" data-attributes="member: 6694877">I've been reading how Fighter's Expertise Dice work again, as I've started to implement them (so I can compare &quot;always use Deadly Strike&quot; versus &quot;always Protect&quot;).I noticed something I missed. It looks like if a Dwarf missed a hobgoblin, then they'd still have their 1d6 available to Parry.So I've re-run the base code (with all assumptions as per the playtest - hobgoblins get +2 to hit, and 3 hobgoblins is a &quot;tough&quot; encounter for 3 1st-level PCs, so ther eshould be two of them to complete an adventuring day). Even if the Dwarves prefer Deadly Strike whenever possible (which isn't optimal), this makes a huge difference. The dwarves are totally ripping up an adventuring day now, irrespective of how cautious they are . . .[code]Adventure results for 50000 teams of timid dwarves:&nbsp; TPK:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; {1/50000}&nbsp; Defeated:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; two dwarves died&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 0% of defeated {1/473}&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; one dwarf died&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 2% of defeated {9/473}&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; badly injured&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 2% of defeated {9/473}&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; moderate injuries&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1%&nbsp;&nbsp; 50% of defeated&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; light injuries&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 46% of defeated&nbsp; Completed adventure:&nbsp; 99%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; one dwarf died&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 0% of completed {21/49526}&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; badly injured&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 0% of completed {59/49526}&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; moderate injuries&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9%&nbsp;&nbsp; 9% of completed&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; light injuries&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 73%&nbsp;&nbsp; 73% of completed&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; not a scratch&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 17%&nbsp;&nbsp; 18% of completedAdventure results for 50000 teams of brave dwarves:&nbsp; TPK:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; {2/50000}&nbsp; Defeated:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; two dwarves died&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 0% of defeated {1/545}&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; one dwarf died&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 1% of defeated {6/545}&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; badly injured&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 2% of defeated {8/545}&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; moderate injuries&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1%&nbsp;&nbsp; 46% of defeated&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; light injuries&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 51% of defeated&nbsp; Completed adventure:&nbsp; 99%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; one dwarf died&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 0% of completed {19/49453}&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; badly injured&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 0% of completed {58/49453}&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; moderate injuries&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9%&nbsp;&nbsp; 9% of completed&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; light injuries&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 73%&nbsp;&nbsp; 74% of completed&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; not a scratch&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 17%&nbsp;&nbsp; 17% of completedAdventure results for 50000 teams of foolhardy dwarves:&nbsp; TPK:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; {4/50000}&nbsp; Defeated:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; one dwarf died&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 3% of defeated {14/536}&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; badly injured&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 2% of defeated {15/536}&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; moderate injuries&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1%&nbsp;&nbsp; 49% of defeated&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; light injuries&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 46% of defeated&nbsp; Completed adventure:&nbsp; 99%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; one dwarf died&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 0% of completed {26/49460}&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; badly injured&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%&nbsp;&nbsp; 0% of completed {56/49460}&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; moderate injuries&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9%&nbsp;&nbsp; 9% of completed&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; light injuries&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 73%&nbsp;&nbsp; 74% of completed&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; not a scratch&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 17%&nbsp;&nbsp; 17% of completed[/code]I think here I can safely say this is too easy. The different player choices on how much risk to take make no difference at all! That may be an effect of the character build and party composition. It may also melt away at 2nd or 3rd level when the threat level increases. But this definitely supports the &quot;it's too easy&quot; vibe reported in other play tests.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="slobo777, post: 6012449, member: 6694877"] I've been reading how Fighter's Expertise Dice work again, as I've started to implement them (so I can compare "always use Deadly Strike" versus "always Protect"). I noticed something I missed. It looks like if a Dwarf missed a hobgoblin, then they'd still have their 1d6 available to Parry. So I've re-run the base code (with all assumptions as per the playtest - hobgoblins get +2 to hit, and 3 hobgoblins is a "tough" encounter for 3 1st-level PCs, so ther eshould be two of them to complete an adventuring day). Even if the Dwarves prefer Deadly Strike whenever possible (which isn't optimal), this makes a huge difference. The dwarves are totally ripping up an adventuring day now, irrespective of how cautious they are . . . [code] Adventure results for 50000 teams of timid dwarves: TPK: 0% {1/50000} Defeated: 1% two dwarves died 0% 0% of defeated {1/473} one dwarf died 0% 2% of defeated {9/473} badly injured 0% 2% of defeated {9/473} moderate injuries 1% 50% of defeated light injuries 0% 46% of defeated Completed adventure: 99% one dwarf died 0% 0% of completed {21/49526} badly injured 0% 0% of completed {59/49526} moderate injuries 9% 9% of completed light injuries 73% 73% of completed not a scratch 17% 18% of completed Adventure results for 50000 teams of brave dwarves: TPK: 0% {2/50000} Defeated: 1% two dwarves died 0% 0% of defeated {1/545} one dwarf died 0% 1% of defeated {6/545} badly injured 0% 2% of defeated {8/545} moderate injuries 1% 46% of defeated light injuries 0% 51% of defeated Completed adventure: 99% one dwarf died 0% 0% of completed {19/49453} badly injured 0% 0% of completed {58/49453} moderate injuries 9% 9% of completed light injuries 73% 74% of completed not a scratch 17% 17% of completed Adventure results for 50000 teams of foolhardy dwarves: TPK: 0% {4/50000} Defeated: 1% one dwarf died 0% 3% of defeated {14/536} badly injured 0% 2% of defeated {15/536} moderate injuries 1% 49% of defeated light injuries 0% 46% of defeated Completed adventure: 99% one dwarf died 0% 0% of completed {26/49460} badly injured 0% 0% of completed {56/49460} moderate injuries 9% 9% of completed light injuries 73% 74% of completed not a scratch 17% 17% of completed [/code]I think here I can safely say this is too easy. The different player choices on how much risk to take make no difference at all! That may be an effect of the character build and party composition. It may also melt away at 2nd or 3rd level when the threat level increases. But this definitely supports the "it's too easy" vibe reported in other play tests. [/QUOTE]

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