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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Iron Sheep" data-source="post: 1417134" data-attributes="member: 4965">I think you may have missed what Morrus said earlier:So six of these should be a TPK.  Also, CR issues aside, it sounds like the archer PC has a holy bow, and probably gets 3-4 attacks per round with it and most will likely hit, since undead typically have weak AC.  That's a PC who is ideally suited for dealing with flying undead.  The yrthak I posted above would be lucky to survive more than 2-3 rounds of sustained fire from the archer.  If it was spotted at maximum range for a bow, it might not even get to see the archer before it gets taken down.Add in the fact that putting an undead template on a combat brute significantly weakens the creature in that role (a fighter or barbarian will typically lose about a third of their hp because of the lack of Con, a wyvern loses a quarter) unless you also get good DR, regeneration, or something similar to help out.Undead templates help caster types much more, though.  They get more hp on average, and so will last longer and get off more spells before being taken down or forced to flee, on average.So if I were building the entire encounter, I'd be going for higher nominal CR for the melee-types, and lower CR for the caster-types.  The wyverns either need to be much beefier than a typical undead wyvern, or need to gain a significant special attack (more than just a one-shot or weak breath weapon).  And the BBEG should be riding something special.I don't think any of the creatures posted in this thread have been too over-the-top for the sort of encounter that Morrus has planned against the group of PCs that Morrus has.Corran</blockquote>

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