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<blockquote data-quote="Mr.E_Danger" data-source="post: 6254757" data-attributes="member: 6687532">I have never added a template before and the one page dealing with Monster PCs on d20 didn't seem all that helpful.&nbsp; Book three and Book four of Way of the Wicked does discuss PC's gaining those templates.&nbsp; Book four has the mechanics of it, and they have a lot of feat suggestions and what not. In fact, they suggest the PC take five feats in total to gain the full Vampire Template. The book does not however cover how to make things balanced within the party, nor does it give any suggestions on how to balance out the improved stats and abilities of the Lich.If it were me, and i may very well be dealing with this in the future, I would take it in stages.&nbsp; So a PC says they want to be a vampire or lich, and they have encountered someone to either bite them or give them the information to start the process, great.&nbsp; Obviously neither of these changes occur over night, especially the Lich which requires a lot more prep and magic.&nbsp; I'd say the next time the group levels up, they can choose to gain a level in their current class, or take a &quot;level&quot; in that template.&nbsp; Looking at the Vampire template, perhaps give them half of their abilities and half the stat boost.&nbsp; So they immediately gain the weaknesses, but not all the strengths.&nbsp; For the stats, half, +3 to Str, +2 dex, +1 int/wis, and +2 cha.&nbsp; They get a bunch of bonus feats too, wow.&nbsp; Yeah, maybe not give them all of them right off the bat.Point is, especially with the vampire, don't give them everything they want immediately.&nbsp; If they want to plan it out, there are feats listed in book four.edit spelling</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mr.E_Danger, post: 6254757, member: 6687532"] I have never added a template before and the one page dealing with Monster PCs on d20 didn't seem all that helpful. Book three and Book four of Way of the Wicked does discuss PC's gaining those templates. Book four has the mechanics of it, and they have a lot of feat suggestions and what not. In fact, they suggest the PC take five feats in total to gain the full Vampire Template. The book does not however cover how to make things balanced within the party, nor does it give any suggestions on how to balance out the improved stats and abilities of the Lich. If it were me, and i may very well be dealing with this in the future, I would take it in stages. So a PC says they want to be a vampire or lich, and they have encountered someone to either bite them or give them the information to start the process, great. Obviously neither of these changes occur over night, especially the Lich which requires a lot more prep and magic. I'd say the next time the group levels up, they can choose to gain a level in their current class, or take a "level" in that template. Looking at the Vampire template, perhaps give them half of their abilities and half the stat boost. So they immediately gain the weaknesses, but not all the strengths. For the stats, half, +3 to Str, +2 dex, +1 int/wis, and +2 cha. They get a bunch of bonus feats too, wow. Yeah, maybe not give them all of them right off the bat. Point is, especially with the vampire, don't give them everything they want immediately. If they want to plan it out, there are feats listed in book four. edit spelling [/QUOTE]

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