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<blockquote data-quote="GSHamster" data-source="post: 6266232" data-attributes="member: 20187">Consider asking your players for advice.They're power gamers, so they know the system and mechanics well. Just outline your problem, especially the fact that they either slice through everything or can't get past the defenses of the enemy at all.Don't blame them or insult them. Just acknowledge that their system mastery is probably greater than yours and ask them for help.See what they suggest. It might surprise you. Maybe they would like the combat mechanics kept the same but more non-combat challenges. Maybe they would like more environmental effects/challenges in combat. Maybe they would be okay with one or two tweaks to the combat mechanics. Maybe they would prefer to remake their characters with more restrictions on builds.I would strongly recommend that you don't change the combat mechanics/expectations without their advice and consent. If the world stops working the way the players expect it to work, it will upset them. (And rightfully so. In a lot of ways players are like the blind men feeling the elephant, while the DM is the one who sees the whole.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GSHamster, post: 6266232, member: 20187"] Consider asking your players for advice. They're power gamers, so they know the system and mechanics well. Just outline your problem, especially the fact that they either slice through everything or can't get past the defenses of the enemy at all. Don't blame them or insult them. Just acknowledge that their system mastery is probably greater than yours and ask them for help. See what they suggest. It might surprise you. Maybe they would like the combat mechanics kept the same but more non-combat challenges. Maybe they would like more environmental effects/challenges in combat. Maybe they would be okay with one or two tweaks to the combat mechanics. Maybe they would prefer to remake their characters with more restrictions on builds. I would strongly recommend that you don't change the combat mechanics/expectations without their advice and consent. If the world stops working the way the players expect it to work, it will upset them. (And rightfully so. In a lot of ways players are like the blind men feeling the elephant, while the DM is the one who sees the whole.) [/QUOTE]

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