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<blockquote data-quote="gamerprinter" data-source="post: 6271773" data-attributes="member: 50895">I never said they were mutually exclusive, but it still tends to be true. At my table there is one min-maxer, though the majority prefer somewhat optimized builds those are generally feat selections and not really through abusive stat dumping (so not min-maxers as regards to stats). Our group has 2 that prefer more elements of roleplay. So our group is definitely a mixture in styles of play. So we do manage to get more roleplay incidences in our game, though our purist min-maxer, is always chomping at the bit, encouraging everyone to stop play-acting and get into some combat. So obviously it isn't mutually exclusive, my group is a prime example of that. I believe (from experience) that my current group make up is rare.IME, however, my group is not the most common you'll encounter. I have indeed run into groups of mostly min-maxers with a GM that would like to include some roleplay. Unless at least one of the players want that as well, the experience most often plays poorly, where roleplay is attempted once then never again. When the players are all fighting you in unison to not roleplay (and in my experience this is the case with most overly optimized players), roleplaying never seems to work. Again, this is only when involving a group that is mostly optimizers - as seems to be the case with the OP.I wish him all the luck, and I really hope he manages to pull it off (getting a group of optimizers to want to roleplay), but I have some strong doubts. I have hope he can make it happen, I just don't have faith that it will.Edit: having read it, I don't agree with the Stormwind Fallacy article much at all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gamerprinter, post: 6271773, member: 50895"] I never said they were mutually exclusive, but it still tends to be true. At my table there is one min-maxer, though the majority prefer somewhat optimized builds those are generally feat selections and not really through abusive stat dumping (so not min-maxers as regards to stats). Our group has 2 that prefer more elements of roleplay. So our group is definitely a mixture in styles of play. So we do manage to get more roleplay incidences in our game, though our purist min-maxer, is always chomping at the bit, encouraging everyone to stop play-acting and get into some combat. So obviously it isn't mutually exclusive, my group is a prime example of that. I believe (from experience) that my current group make up is rare. IME, however, my group is not the most common you'll encounter. I have indeed run into groups of mostly min-maxers with a GM that would like to include some roleplay. Unless at least one of the players want that as well, the experience most often plays poorly, where roleplay is attempted once then never again. When the players are all fighting you in unison to not roleplay (and in my experience this is the case with most overly optimized players), roleplaying never seems to work. Again, this is only when involving a group that is mostly optimizers - as seems to be the case with the OP. I wish him all the luck, and I really hope he manages to pull it off (getting a group of optimizers to want to roleplay), but I have some strong doubts. I have hope he can make it happen, I just don't have faith that it will. Edit: having read it, I don't agree with the Stormwind Fallacy article much at all. [/QUOTE]

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