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Message: <blockquote data-quote="two" data-source="post: 2119021" data-attributes="member: 9002">good adviceEveryone seems to agree:  it's too late for your monk.I'd have a long talk with your GM and, if you really really want to play a combat-effective monk, start him over at level1 with a new build, including stat distribution.Else, tell your GM that your monk wants to be involved with lots of other things -- scouting more, whatever.  And then, as a player, stop thinking of your monk as a melee combatant, and do everything you can BESIDES wade blindly into battle.There is still hope.  Just not for melee, but still -- for some fun.Sadly, like many cool and interesting builds, this shuriken idea ain't gonna fly.Price of 4 +1 Returning [one more enchantment] shurikens is:  4*18 = 72K.   Yup.  You read it right.And, with your Str=18 monk with point blank shot, if you hit 4 times, you do:1.5 + 4 + 3.5 + 1 (PBShot) = 9 points of damage, per shuriken.  *4 = 36 points of damage total.That's AFTER you hit 4 times, and the enemy has no immunities of any sort (fire, cold, DR, etc.).That's using 72K of weaponry.It's beyond horrible.The best possible instance would be 4 +1 returning bane shurikens going against their bane target, doing:1.5 + 4 + 3 + 1 + 2d6 = 9.5 + 7 = 16.5 per shuriken.  *4 = 66 points of damage per round.That's barely adequate, and (naturally) requires a bane enemy with no DR or anything like that.  And 4 hits.This is where D&D really drops the ball, big time.  You have to do incredible hoop-hopping to attempt to match up with the most obvious low-grade fighting style, i.e. barbarian/fighter with a greatsword.  Raaah.  Charge and attack, throw in some into power attack.  GRRRRRaaaaaah!With 72K to spend on a weapon, your fighter picks up a +4 Holy Greatsword and really puts the hurt on most enemies, i.e. evil things.   Or, far more cleverly, simply buys a +1 Holy Greatsword, pockets the rest of the change, and splurges on really nice armor/defensive stuff.I hate it, but that's how D&D is set up.  Do the obvious thing, your life is easy.Do a non-obvious thing that sounds really cool, requires a lot of feats, and much money, and the result is:  worse than if you had just done the obvious thing.Talk about kicking somebody when they are down.  Sheesh.</blockquote>

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