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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3053421" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Actually, this is the first thread where I've ever discussed this issue.</p><p></p><p>How can the prerequisite be part of the feat? It is a requirement, it is not the benefit. Whether it is part of the feat or not, however, is really non-sequitor to the discussion (i.e. it's a red herring and a distraction from the real issues).</p><p></p><p>The real question that need to be asked is quite clear:</p><p></p><p>1) Can the phrase "treated as a natural weapon" be used to meet the prerequisite? Not really. This phrase is conditional on an effect or a spell. First off, feats are not effects. Just like BAB is not an effect. Just like skills are not effects. These are abilities or capabilities of a PC, but they are not effects. Nor are feats spells.</p><p></p><p>Even casting a spell is not an effect. Casting a spell is an ability of some PCs. The spell itself will have an effect, but the casting of it is an ability of the PC.</p><p></p><p>And, all of these abilities (BAB, skills, feats, etc.) can affect the outcome of events in the game, but they are not effects.</p><p></p><p>An argument that states that a feat is an effect is extremely tenuous. There is no "effect" language in the general feat section of the PHB.</p><p></p><p>Effects are not abilities (or in the case of a feat, a capability).</p><p></p><p>So, the best quote you have does not really support your conclusion. It supports the exact opposite conclusion.</p><p></p><p>If you want to find out what an effect is, read the spell section of the PHB or the environmental section of the DMG. Fire is an effect. A feat is not an effect.</p><p></p><p>Effects affect PCs, they are not abilities of the PCs.</p><p></p><p>So quite frankly, your first assumption:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>is false and it is easy to illustrate this as false. And, this false assumption of yours (and presumbly other people) is what leads to you misinterpreting RAW in this case.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Note: A feat could have an effect if the feat itself states so. INA does not state that it adds an effect.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3053421, member: 2011"] Actually, this is the first thread where I've ever discussed this issue. How can the prerequisite be part of the feat? It is a requirement, it is not the benefit. Whether it is part of the feat or not, however, is really non-sequitor to the discussion (i.e. it's a red herring and a distraction from the real issues). The real question that need to be asked is quite clear: 1) Can the phrase "treated as a natural weapon" be used to meet the prerequisite? Not really. This phrase is conditional on an effect or a spell. First off, feats are not effects. Just like BAB is not an effect. Just like skills are not effects. These are abilities or capabilities of a PC, but they are not effects. Nor are feats spells. Even casting a spell is not an effect. Casting a spell is an ability of some PCs. The spell itself will have an effect, but the casting of it is an ability of the PC. And, all of these abilities (BAB, skills, feats, etc.) can affect the outcome of events in the game, but they are not effects. An argument that states that a feat is an effect is extremely tenuous. There is no "effect" language in the general feat section of the PHB. Effects are not abilities (or in the case of a feat, a capability). So, the best quote you have does not really support your conclusion. It supports the exact opposite conclusion. If you want to find out what an effect is, read the spell section of the PHB or the environmental section of the DMG. Fire is an effect. A feat is not an effect. Effects affect PCs, they are not abilities of the PCs. So quite frankly, your first assumption: is false and it is easy to illustrate this as false. And, this false assumption of yours (and presumbly other people) is what leads to you misinterpreting RAW in this case. Note: A feat could have an effect if the feat itself states so. INA does not state that it adds an effect. [/QUOTE]
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