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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 6684403" data-attributes="member: 18701">Ok. Feint requires a Sense Motive check to work. I follow the only text in the description of Sense Motive that relates to something like Feinting, and you see that as rules lawyering? I'm not trying to nit pick a rule here or dig deep to find a rule to support my side. I flipped to the dang skill description which is linked in the Feinting rules and quoted it. If we're not supposed to use the Sense Motive description in reference to Feinting, then why are we rolling a skill check at all in order to Feint? Obviously you don't need to use the Sense Motive skill in your version of Feinting. A successful check in your eyes is still a failure to anyone metagaming to avoid the feint penalty.I've ignored your examples because they are irrelevant and weak. I didn't feel the need to start bickering about why. I wanted to stay on track. Sorry, I don't mean for that to be rude. We're already having a hard time seeing eye to eye as it is and me replying to your examples would open up a whole other can of worms.Wait, I'm the one interpreting things, and I'm the one making assumptions on which part of the Sense Motive skill text I'm allowed or not allowed to use in reference to the Feinting rules. Yet, you know the intent of the designers use of text and whether it is meant to support rules or whether it is an introductory summary? Not to mention that you know which part of the Sense Motive text we are supposed to use to reference Feinting rules (in your case, none of it)?You are obviously up in my head and know better than I do. You're getting a little more personal here than I wish to deal with. So, you win the thread. I'm bowing out. Say what you need to in order to have the lasts words, but I won't be responding any longer. No hard feelings man, but this is ridiculous.</blockquote>

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