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Advice on adjudicating the use of Wish in a high-level capstone boss battle (Rappan Athuk spoilers)
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<blockquote data-quote="overgeeked" data-source="post: 9161472" data-attributes="member: 86653"><p>The lame and easy answer is counterspell.</p><p></p><p>This is why I hate wish. Unless you give the player what they wanted, even if their wording is terrible, they get really pissed off. It's always used as an "I win" button and there's almost no recourse. Wish is a drama killer.</p><p></p><p>This is where the "devil's bargain" comes in. Unless the wish is worded perfectly it's going to have consequences. It's not undermining the wish to attach consequences based on poor wording. As the text of the spell indicates, wishing the BBEG to "go away" can be anything from 5ft of movement to teleporting to another continent to teleporting to the far side of the planet, to another plane, or straight up dying.</p><p></p><p>The trick is to not undermine what they asked for. But the thing to remember is there's nothing in the wish spell that means it's permanent. The players can just be mad about it. If a BBEG is a world-level threat, they're going to have contingencies, they're going to have mobility, they're going to have minions and lieutenants, etc.</p><p></p><p>The PC wishes the BBEG dead, okay he's dead. Then someone brings him back. The PC wishes the BBEG to be locked in another dimension or plane, okay...he is. Then someone breaks him out. The tricky part is making this all climactic in the moment because otherwise at best wish is just a delay which will give the PCs time to rest and have another wish or two to drop on the BBEG.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="overgeeked, post: 9161472, member: 86653"] The lame and easy answer is counterspell. This is why I hate wish. Unless you give the player what they wanted, even if their wording is terrible, they get really pissed off. It's always used as an "I win" button and there's almost no recourse. Wish is a drama killer. This is where the "devil's bargain" comes in. Unless the wish is worded perfectly it's going to have consequences. It's not undermining the wish to attach consequences based on poor wording. As the text of the spell indicates, wishing the BBEG to "go away" can be anything from 5ft of movement to teleporting to another continent to teleporting to the far side of the planet, to another plane, or straight up dying. The trick is to not undermine what they asked for. But the thing to remember is there's nothing in the wish spell that means it's permanent. The players can just be mad about it. If a BBEG is a world-level threat, they're going to have contingencies, they're going to have mobility, they're going to have minions and lieutenants, etc. The PC wishes the BBEG dead, okay he's dead. Then someone brings him back. The PC wishes the BBEG to be locked in another dimension or plane, okay...he is. Then someone breaks him out. The tricky part is making this all climactic in the moment because otherwise at best wish is just a delay which will give the PCs time to rest and have another wish or two to drop on the BBEG. [/QUOTE]
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