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Message: <blockquote data-quote="zztong" data-source="post: 7816834" data-attributes="member: 6943414">Its hard to list reasons because there's 6-8 people at the table each week with their own opinions. I don't mind reflecting on this, but it wasn't the topic. I don't know that the table was largely upset with combat. I think I'd say character generation was the most common frustration.Out of all of the Fantasy RPG choices, 5e floated to the top as next to try because 2 players have prior experience with it and 1 player has enjoyed some podcast that uses it. The core of the group largely has no experience with 5e, myself and the DM included. Reduced crunch is actually appealing to many at the table either because they're just no into detailed game systems or because they're an aging professional that can't throw lots of time at a game away from the table.I think I mentioned elsewhere that while we had been playing PF1, it was because many years ago we learned it. The group dynamic has changed. I doubt we'd be considering PF1 today if we were forming.</blockquote>