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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shard O'Glase" data-source="post: 334659" data-attributes="member: 1134">there is an entire thread anout why monks suck, you may want to try and find it.  I don't think they suck, but they rarely deliver what people expect. 1. don't expect to even come close to combat skills of the fighter, heck if you guys use team work the rogue will frequently out damage you.  2. about the only thing you will excell at is surviving against varied opponents.If either of these things bother you, try something else.  Or build a non standard monk.  If you want to be good in mellee combat give your self an 18 str, if you don't, don't whine to anyone when you hit a lot but for no damage with your sissy weapon finesse ways.  Consider non standard feats, for a non standard monk, yeah spring attack is great and all that, but consider power attack, cleave, combat reflexes, expert tactician, and improed init.  With stealth you can frequently get the drop on foes, expert tact gives you an extra attack in the surprise round since foes have no dex, improved init and good elf dex gives you good odds to win init and more expert tact free attacks.  Stunning blow gives more, and cleave means a free attack everytime you drop someone.  Yes I like extra attacks.   Stats before elf 18 str dex 14 con 14, int 12 wis 15, chr 8. I'd put 4 stat boosts into str the last into wis.</blockquote>