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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bucephelos" data-source="post: 5011111" data-attributes="member: 86418">@shin - i chose ranger over fighter because when i compared ads/disads of the two where i've got all the prereqs to become tempest (level 6), ranger came out on top.  Fighter would have two more feats and a better hit die (d10 vs. d8), where as the ranger has more skill points, 2 favored enemies, endurance, tracking, animal empathy, animal companion, and spell ability.  With that in mind, i thought ranger had the better package.  But i do like the spiked shield idea; i'll definitely take that into consideration. @herzog - i do like the idea of mixing ranger and scout.  It does fit in with the concept of my character, and i do have a comp adv to consult. @everyone - those sounds like really baller ideas.  But i've got a few reasons not to implement them.  For one, i don't want to have to go out and buy a bunch of supplemental books for this one character.  I've got a few supplements at my disposal via friends (e.g., complete adventurer, complete scoundrel, a few others), but i don't want to have to spend $50 or $100 when i'm not even sure how often we'll be getting together to play.  Secondly, when i create a character, i generally get an idea of what i want my character to be (background, etc), then build him around that.  That's why i'm looking to drop the animal and magic parts of being a ranger; honestly, i think they're great features of the class, but they're just not consistent with what my character is.  And once i figure out how to build the character to match my idea of him, i just want to make sure he's not underpowered.  I don't have any real interest in being the most powerful guy in the group.  That aside, i also don't think my dm would go for me building a super-powerful character at the expense of character development and role-playing.  If he suspected that, i have no doubt he would send a black dragon directly after me in a not-so-subtle way to say, "i don't think so - start over".   That said, why cant i find any information (presige classes, etc) for a dwarven caver type of ranger?  That's really what i've got in mind, and while it's mentioned that they 'exist' in the ranger portion of the ph, i can't find anywhere where the concept is expanded into a proper class or prestige class or anything.  That's why i was looking to drop the animal and magic parts of rangerdom.  Any thoughts?</blockquote>

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