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Message: <blockquote data-quote="akbearfoot" data-source="post: 5362161" data-attributes="member: 33560">the ToB is great as a whole.  Full of tons of flavor, and tons of options.  There are probably 8-10 maneuvers in the book that SERIOUSLY need editing to be balanced.  And you have to restrict night sticks to a limit of 1 in any world where you allow Ruby Knight Vindicators.Also Jade pheonix mage is widely considered to be the strongest PrC in that book.  So it probably isnt the best part of the book to balance a new PrC around.A rogue type character that can essentially always be hidden all the time, that can't be detected by magic, that can also pretty much always sneak attack things is pretty strong.  ESPECIALLY when it's getting +10 to all its attack and damage rolls and nearly full sneak attack progression.  Don't be fooled by the thought that some(read very few) things have a chance to see him.  Almost never being found is more or less  the same as never being found.  Thats not even counting the maneuvers and stances available, which by my count gives him at a minimum 6th level maneuvers at 15th level if he went rogue5 to start.  8th level maneuvers if he started as Swordsage.Another point is that warblades have the smallest pool of maneuvers known and readied, but have the best base recovery method.  This PrC gains maneuvers faster than warblades do, appears to gain readied maneuvers faster than warblades, gets more bonus feats, more class abilities, almost full sneak attack, and is less MAD than a warblade, would effectively have a higher attack/damage bonus than an equivalent level warblade with better skills, and Use magic device.If a player wanted to play this in my game world, I would seriously nerf it before considering it.</blockquote>

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