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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tonguez" data-source="post: 856476" data-attributes="member: 1125">I use the following system again counting each unit as a single 'creature'.  Each Unit is ranked accoding to its Unit rateUR = (Size/100) x Unit Rank + HD-1eg 100 undisciplined Humans = 1x1+1 => UR 2UR is added to the stats of the base creature to determine the Unit stats. Units can fight independently or be lead by a PC if lead by a PC the Unit stats become bonuses to the PCs stats eg a PC with BAb 4 leading a Unit of 100 Undisciplined Orcs gets BAb +9(Bab 4+3 (Orc BAb) + 2 (UR)) Rank system 1 Undisciplined2 Green3 Hardened4 Veteran5 Elite An example 500 Hardened Ogres UR 19( =5x3+4  )HP13000 BAb +27 (=8+19) AC face 35 (=16+19) AC flank 26 Will 20 (1+19)A PC with BAb 4 leading this Unit would gain BAb +31Base HP 26x500 = 13000. Flank AC = 75% of FaceFormation 100x5 Melee Damage 1400  (14x100)You can set any formation you like (basically FacexFlank, I usually do battles no more than 5 deep. Ogres having Reach means that the first 2 Ranks can attack instead of just the front rank (thus +2 penetration). Damage is determined as average across the Face and/or Flank 400 veteran  Orcs Archers UR 17 (4x4+1)HP 1600 BAb 18 (1+17) AC 31 (14+17)  Will 16 (-1+17)Ranged Damage 2200All Archers have potential to strike and thus Damage is for all members of the Unit not just front rankCombat Sequence1. Resolve Attacks as usual (BAb vs AC) including any Modifiers for Tactics. A Critical (roll Nat 20) earns a bonus roll of D20 added o total (ie becomes 2d20 instead of 1d20)2. Determine Penetration = (Attack - opponents AC) + Reach bonus x 5This gives a percentage used to determine effectiveness of Attack in dealing Damage. Penetration also determines the Morale DC3 Damage = Total Damage x Penetration % NB Damaged does not always mean dead - just out of action (injured, stunned, dead etc DM to determine)4. Opponent checks Morale Will save vs 10+Penetration/5 Penetration in this case = Attack-AC NOT the percentageAn Example1a. Orcs attack OgresD20+BAb vs AC35 (17 to hit) => rolls 19 Attack of 362a. Penetration = Attack - AC  36-35 = 1 => 5%3a. Damage = 5% of 2200 = 1104a. Ogre Morale check Will save vs DC 11 (10+ penetration) => success1b. Ogres Charge* Orcs  => Charge is x2 Penetration BAb 27 vs AC 31 = 4 to hit = > rolls 12 Attack of 392b. Penetration = 39-31 = (8+2(reach)) x 2 charge =>100%3b. Damage = 100% of 1400 = 14004b Orc Morale check Will save vs DC 30 (10+Peneration) => fail Orcs break and fleeOther NotesLeaders give Morale bonus = Level and can rally their unit each round (and thus stop them breaking)A Flank is at 75% of Total AC, the Rear is at 50%Disorganised Skirmishers do not work as a Unit and so do not get the benefit of UR (just straight base Stats - they do get the HP per Unit and Damage per (whole unit). They also cannot be flanked.Various Tactics to be determined eg Charge x2 Penetration,  Sheild Wall +4AC, Spear Wall 1/4 Penetration, Full Attack +4BAbHigher Ground +2 BAb etc etc</blockquote>

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