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<blockquote data-quote="ClaytonCross" data-source="post: 7193831" data-attributes="member: 6880599"><p>Against what AC? your doing what your accusing me of! lol. I don't need a base AC because I am giving Damage per hit and then stating that hits will be variable on AC (Which I was wrong for saying DPR because that is inaccurate). And Your saying:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My point is you can't have one DPR for not set AC and since you didn't list one your answer is incomplete where mine is not though less mathematically accurate it provides the means for some assessment using total DPH.</p><p></p><p>However ....</p><p>20 sided dice = 5% chance to roll any number</p><p>+ hit modifier (Dex 20 so 5 + proficiency levels 5 to 8 are +3 - 5 for Sharp shooter +1 Magic arrow, +2 Archery Fighting style) = So +6 for levels 5-8 or +7 for level 9-11</p><p>- (AC -1) to remove the missing roles, the -1 is because if you meet the AC it is a hit.</p><p>Then multiply that number by the 5% value of each number you can roll on a 20 sided dye to determine the chance to hit as decimal or multiply by 100 for the percent.</p><p></p><p>level 5-8 vs AC10 = .85 or 85%</p><p>level 5-8 vs AC15 = .6 or 60%</p><p>level 5-8 vs AC20 = .35 or 35%</p><p></p><p>level 9-11 vs AC10 = .9 or 90%</p><p>level 9-11 vs AC15 = .65 or 65%</p><p>level 9-11 vs AC20 = .4 or 40%</p><p></p><p>Now Sneak attack is different because you have to figure out the chance it happening if at least once with 2 attempts. My understanding it of that formula is: </p><p>1st attack = % Example: .85 or 85%</p><p>2nd attack = Inverse of 1st % X % + Last total % Example: (.25 X .85) + .85 = .9775 or 97%</p><p>3rd Attack = Inverse of 2st % X % + Last total % Example: (.0225 x .85) + .9775 = .996625 or 99%</p><p></p><p><strong>Corrected for the revised arcane archer with percent to hit for proper DPR.</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>level 6: Possible Ability Score Improvement or Feat</strong></p><p>VS AC10 </p><p> Basic Attack (1d8+15) = 24 X .85 = 20.4 per basic attack</p><p> Sneak attack for 2 attacks 1d6 = 3.5 X .9775 = 3.42125</p><p><strong>Rogue 1 / Arcane Archer 5: (20.4) + (20.4) + (~3 SA) = ~44 DPR</strong></p><p><strong>Arcane Archer 6: (20.4) + (20.4) = ~41 DPR + Crossbow expert?</strong></p><p></p><p>VS AC15 <-- 14.25 is the average for all the monsters in the book, while that does not reflect what your DM will make you fight its not a bad place to start.</p><p> Basic Attack (1d8+15) = 24 X .6 = 14.4 per basic attack</p><p> Sneak attack for 2 attacks 1d6 = 3.5 X .84 = 2.94</p><p><strong>Rogue 1 / Arcane Archer 5: (14.4) + (14.4) + (~3 SA) = ~32 DPR</strong></p><p><strong>Arcane Archer 6: (14.4) + (14.4) = ~29 DPR + Crossbow expert?</strong></p><p></p><p>VS AC20</p><p> Basic Attack (1d8+15) = 24 X .35 = 8.4 per basic attack</p><p> Sneak attack for 2 attacks 1d6 = 3.5 X .4375 = 1.53125</p><p><strong>Rogue 1 / Arcane Archer 5: (8.4) + (8.4) + (~2) = ~19 DPR</strong></p><p><strong>Arcane Archer 6: (8.4) + (8.4) = ~17 DPR + Crossbow expert?</strong></p><p></p><p>--- This is were it got late, I got tired and went to bed, lol. If no one sees has a correction for me I will try to remember and finish tomarrow and add the Revised ranger since the OP added this: </p><p></p><p></p><p>level 8: Possible Ability Score Improvement or Feat</p><p>Rogue 3 / Arcane Archer 5: (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (2d6 SA) = 48.5 DPR</p><p>Rogue 2 / Arcane Archer 6: (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (1d6 SA) = 45 DPR + Crossbow expert?</p><p>Arcane Archer 8: (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (2d6 hex) = 48.5 DPR + Crossbow expert? + Magic Initiate for Warlock Hex?</p><p></p><p>Level 11: Possible Extra Attack</p><p>Rogue 6 / Arcane Archer 5: (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (3d6 SA) = 52 DPR + Uncanny Dodge + Expertise</p><p>Rogue 5 / Arcane Archer 6: (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (3d6 SA) = 52 DPR + Crossbow expert? + Uncanny Dodge</p><p>Rogue 3 / Arcane Archer 8: (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (2d6 SA) = 48.5 DPR + Crossbow expert? + Magic Initiate?</p><p>Arcane Archer 11: (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (3d6 hex) = 71.5 DPR + Crossbow expert? + Magic Initiate? + Indomitable</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ClaytonCross, post: 7193831, member: 6880599"] Against what AC? your doing what your accusing me of! lol. I don't need a base AC because I am giving Damage per hit and then stating that hits will be variable on AC (Which I was wrong for saying DPR because that is inaccurate). And Your saying: My point is you can't have one DPR for not set AC and since you didn't list one your answer is incomplete where mine is not though less mathematically accurate it provides the means for some assessment using total DPH. However .... 20 sided dice = 5% chance to roll any number + hit modifier (Dex 20 so 5 + proficiency levels 5 to 8 are +3 - 5 for Sharp shooter +1 Magic arrow, +2 Archery Fighting style) = So +6 for levels 5-8 or +7 for level 9-11 - (AC -1) to remove the missing roles, the -1 is because if you meet the AC it is a hit. Then multiply that number by the 5% value of each number you can roll on a 20 sided dye to determine the chance to hit as decimal or multiply by 100 for the percent. level 5-8 vs AC10 = .85 or 85% level 5-8 vs AC15 = .6 or 60% level 5-8 vs AC20 = .35 or 35% level 9-11 vs AC10 = .9 or 90% level 9-11 vs AC15 = .65 or 65% level 9-11 vs AC20 = .4 or 40% Now Sneak attack is different because you have to figure out the chance it happening if at least once with 2 attempts. My understanding it of that formula is: 1st attack = % Example: .85 or 85% 2nd attack = Inverse of 1st % X % + Last total % Example: (.25 X .85) + .85 = .9775 or 97% 3rd Attack = Inverse of 2st % X % + Last total % Example: (.0225 x .85) + .9775 = .996625 or 99% [B]Corrected for the revised arcane archer with percent to hit for proper DPR.[/B] [B]level 6: Possible Ability Score Improvement or Feat[/B] VS AC10 Basic Attack (1d8+15) = 24 X .85 = 20.4 per basic attack Sneak attack for 2 attacks 1d6 = 3.5 X .9775 = 3.42125 [B]Rogue 1 / Arcane Archer 5: (20.4) + (20.4) + (~3 SA) = ~44 DPR Arcane Archer 6: (20.4) + (20.4) = ~41 DPR + Crossbow expert?[/B] VS AC15 <-- 14.25 is the average for all the monsters in the book, while that does not reflect what your DM will make you fight its not a bad place to start. Basic Attack (1d8+15) = 24 X .6 = 14.4 per basic attack Sneak attack for 2 attacks 1d6 = 3.5 X .84 = 2.94 [B]Rogue 1 / Arcane Archer 5: (14.4) + (14.4) + (~3 SA) = ~32 DPR Arcane Archer 6: (14.4) + (14.4) = ~29 DPR + Crossbow expert?[/B] VS AC20 Basic Attack (1d8+15) = 24 X .35 = 8.4 per basic attack Sneak attack for 2 attacks 1d6 = 3.5 X .4375 = 1.53125 [B]Rogue 1 / Arcane Archer 5: (8.4) + (8.4) + (~2) = ~19 DPR Arcane Archer 6: (8.4) + (8.4) = ~17 DPR + Crossbow expert?[/B] --- This is were it got late, I got tired and went to bed, lol. If no one sees has a correction for me I will try to remember and finish tomarrow and add the Revised ranger since the OP added this: level 8: Possible Ability Score Improvement or Feat Rogue 3 / Arcane Archer 5: (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (2d6 SA) = 48.5 DPR Rogue 2 / Arcane Archer 6: (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (1d6 SA) = 45 DPR + Crossbow expert? Arcane Archer 8: (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (2d6 hex) = 48.5 DPR + Crossbow expert? + Magic Initiate for Warlock Hex? Level 11: Possible Extra Attack Rogue 6 / Arcane Archer 5: (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (3d6 SA) = 52 DPR + Uncanny Dodge + Expertise Rogue 5 / Arcane Archer 6: (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (3d6 SA) = 52 DPR + Crossbow expert? + Uncanny Dodge Rogue 3 / Arcane Archer 8: (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (2d6 SA) = 48.5 DPR + Crossbow expert? + Magic Initiate? Arcane Archer 11: (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (1d8+15) + (3d6 hex) = 71.5 DPR + Crossbow expert? + Magic Initiate? + Indomitable [/QUOTE]
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