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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AlViking" data-source="post: 9658306" data-attributes="member: 6906980">The reason I dropped the vertical climb and dive speed adjustments because of disagreements on how to apply it.  If a character has the fly spell, should they be affected? It makes sense for a bird or a plane, but basic physics tells me that a dragon shouldn't be able to fly so there must be some magic or supernatural force involved as an example.  Flying ships?  Aren't those just using an advanced fly spell and on and on.Anyway, if you want to use them you'll have to determine maneuverability.[SPOILER="The rules from 3.5"]Tactical Aerial MovementMinimum Forward Speed: creature has to land if it doesn't maintain a speed.Hover: The ability to stay in one place while airborne.Move Backward: The ability to move backward without turningReverse: A creature with good maneuverability uses up 5 feet ofits speed to start flying backward.Turn: How much the creature can turn after covering the stateddistance.Turn in Place: A creature with good or average maneuverabilitycan use some of its speed to turn in place.Maximum Turn: How much the creature can turn in any one space.Up Angle: The angle at which the creature can climb.Up Speed: How fast the creature can climb.Down Angle: The angle at which the creature can descend.Down Speed: A flying creature can fly down at twice its normalflying speed.Between Down and Up: An average, poor, or clumsy flier must flylevel for a minimum distance after descending and before climbing.Any flier can begin descending after a climb without an interveningdistance of level flight.[ATTACH=full]405268[/ATTACH][/SPOILER]</blockquote>

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