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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 3192754" data-attributes="member: 141">If you put the penalty on the stats, the description would be flavor, wouldn't it?  Unless it actually changed your life expectancy- the date when "your time is up."  That would make you non-resurrectable, and that would warrant a +12 or so (two descriptive seeds).  It'd be mitigated if the actual date was a few months or years away.  [edit] +6 and add the [death] descriptor to put you at the beginning of Venerable seems just about perfect.  Your time is up that much sooner, right? [/edit]And if it killed you of old age right now- well, that would seem to be mostly [slay].  A pernicious death effect.[edit2] Hmmm.  That's the second time in two days that I've seen the need to make an instantaneous effect permanent.  Both involve the pernicious factor; here it is to make a pernicious death effect (to model death by old age), and the other was to allow [dispel] to permanently suppress a pernicious effect.Are there any benchmarks for instantaneous => permanent?  I don't mean something like making a fireball last forever.  Rather, something like a cure light wounds that knits together injuries by magic, meaning that the subject loses those hit points if it is dispelled.  (Which would be a neat arcane spell, wouldn't it?)The permanent => instantaneous factor is a little easier to cost. It should be no more than +12, given that two benchmark spells (baleful polymorph and flesh to stone) both have comparable effects (neutralizing an opponent who fails his fort save) but are 2 spell levels (=12 SP) apart.  Probably only +8 - flesh to stone is one step longer range (+2) and has a higher DC (+2).Maybe cost it the same either way.  Dunno.</blockquote>

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