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Again another example of CHA as dump stat
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<blockquote data-quote="DarkMaster" data-source="post: 1511368" data-attributes="member: 16362"><p>Well that's why skills are for, the score ability represent an affinity, but to excel you still need training and practice, So yes the violin master probably spends all his skill point on perform violin and not on diplomacy, resulting in someone not very good at diplomacy. The Violin master could also have CHA 6 and still the skill could be at +15 , but if he would have 18 CHA the skill it would be at +21 because is capable of giving more with the same amount of training. Both have 17 ranks of practice and both are very good at it, the difference being in the magnetism projected by the player.</p><p></p><p>I should have stated that the sorcerer has +20 bluff, and why do you say that the mousy Indian has 8 charisma because he doesn't speak english. </p><p></p><p>I agree that Intelligence and wisdom will also affect your business, If you are smart and wise you will choose a good location and do smart deals allowing you to lower your prices and maybe to hire someone at the counter with a high charisma. </p><p></p><p>The reason why I started this thread is actually to complain about WotC they create character that don't make sense according to their rule set. The fact that the guy has 6 Charisma would not be so bad if he was compensating with a lot of ranks in various social skills. But in the example the Dwarf is supposed to be a great leader and they didn't invest a single point in the abilities that defines great leader.(no point in the skills and in the point build ,since dwarf have -2 CHA). There are supposed to teach us how to play and come up with incoherent build like that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DarkMaster, post: 1511368, member: 16362"] Well that's why skills are for, the score ability represent an affinity, but to excel you still need training and practice, So yes the violin master probably spends all his skill point on perform violin and not on diplomacy, resulting in someone not very good at diplomacy. The Violin master could also have CHA 6 and still the skill could be at +15 , but if he would have 18 CHA the skill it would be at +21 because is capable of giving more with the same amount of training. Both have 17 ranks of practice and both are very good at it, the difference being in the magnetism projected by the player. I should have stated that the sorcerer has +20 bluff, and why do you say that the mousy Indian has 8 charisma because he doesn't speak english. I agree that Intelligence and wisdom will also affect your business, If you are smart and wise you will choose a good location and do smart deals allowing you to lower your prices and maybe to hire someone at the counter with a high charisma. The reason why I started this thread is actually to complain about WotC they create character that don't make sense according to their rule set. The fact that the guy has 6 Charisma would not be so bad if he was compensating with a lot of ranks in various social skills. But in the example the Dwarf is supposed to be a great leader and they didn't invest a single point in the abilities that defines great leader.(no point in the skills and in the point build ,since dwarf have -2 CHA). There are supposed to teach us how to play and come up with incoherent build like that. [/QUOTE]
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