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<blockquote data-quote="Lamoni" data-source="post: 1512136" data-attributes="member: 12680">I agree.&nbsp; It just becomes more difficult when the player wants to make the NPC helpful towards the party (one that is currently indifferent), and says something like &quot;Hey, you look like a scrawny guy with no friends.&nbsp; We'll promise to be your friend if you agree to help us out.&quot;&nbsp; Then rolls a 34.&nbsp; Should you reward the investment in the skill and make the NPC helpful towards the player on the good roll?&nbsp; Or should you penalize the player for such poor role playing.&nbsp; Saying that would never make anyone I know more helpful.&nbsp; Yes, you can add modifiers to the check depending on the role playing, but it isn't that simple.&nbsp; Diplomatic relations and gathering information are fun to role play.&nbsp; Things like jumping and climbing, are things you do as you role play other things like &quot;We should flee to the other side of that chasm! (roll for jump)&quot; or &quot;Maybe if we climb up that wall we can spy on them without being noticed. (roll for climb)&quot;Most of the time the players role play fairly well and don't treat an NPC like scum if they want to make him/her friendly.&nbsp; I guess you could decide to take out the role playing from the skill checks and just say things like, &quot;I gather information from that guy at the bar (roll...)&quot; and &quot;I try to convince him to join our party for a while (roll...)&quot;&nbsp; It is a role playing game.&nbsp; It is more fun to decide what questions to ask or what things to ask about.&nbsp; It is also fun to speak to NPC's in character to either threaten them, lie to them, ignore them, or try to get information out of them.&nbsp; When you add the role playing, sometimes the role playing would result in the opposite effect as the die roll.&nbsp; It just makes the DM choose things that they would never have to choose with almost any other skill.&nbsp; &quot;You didn't act out a very good jump so I think I'll put a penalty on that roll of yours.&quot; doesn't sound fair, but &quot;You didn't give any motivation for the guy to not want to kill you still, I'm placing a -2 penalty on the roll.&quot; sounds more acceptable.&nbsp; It can just be a clumsy mechanic to work with.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lamoni, post: 1512136, member: 12680"] I agree. It just becomes more difficult when the player wants to make the NPC helpful towards the party (one that is currently indifferent), and says something like "Hey, you look like a scrawny guy with no friends. We'll promise to be your friend if you agree to help us out." Then rolls a 34. Should you reward the investment in the skill and make the NPC helpful towards the player on the good roll? Or should you penalize the player for such poor role playing. Saying that would never make anyone I know more helpful. Yes, you can add modifiers to the check depending on the role playing, but it isn't that simple. Diplomatic relations and gathering information are fun to role play. Things like jumping and climbing, are things you do as you role play other things like "We should flee to the other side of that chasm! (roll for jump)" or "Maybe if we climb up that wall we can spy on them without being noticed. (roll for climb)" Most of the time the players role play fairly well and don't treat an NPC like scum if they want to make him/her friendly. I guess you could decide to take out the role playing from the skill checks and just say things like, "I gather information from that guy at the bar (roll...)" and "I try to convince him to join our party for a while (roll...)" It is a role playing game. It is more fun to decide what questions to ask or what things to ask about. It is also fun to speak to NPC's in character to either threaten them, lie to them, ignore them, or try to get information out of them. When you add the role playing, sometimes the role playing would result in the opposite effect as the die roll. It just makes the DM choose things that they would never have to choose with almost any other skill. "You didn't act out a very good jump so I think I'll put a penalty on that roll of yours." doesn't sound fair, but "You didn't give any motivation for the guy to not want to kill you still, I'm placing a -2 penalty on the roll." sounds more acceptable. It can just be a clumsy mechanic to work with. [/QUOTE]

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