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Message: <blockquote data-quote="William Ronald" data-source="post: 2685758" data-attributes="member: 426">Well, first, Oy in this case seems to be from the Yiddish phrase Oy Vey, loosely translated as O Woe, or Woe is me.As far as the undead, I don't really have a problem with non-evil undead.  There are exceptions, but they are rare.  Indeed, the rarity of the exceptions tends to make them all the more remarkable and compelling.  ( Think of the protagonists of the series  Forever Knight and Angel , as well as Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer  and Angel .  Many of the vampires on these shows were evil or at best amoral.  However, the  good vampires were exceptional because of this.)I am neutral on the Deathless, as I don't use Eberron. I would argue that something the core rules does NOT do well is model ways to keep PCs and NPCs alive beyond their normal lifespans -- which is a standard trait of many figures in myth, legend, and fiction.  (Arcana Unearthed/Arcana Evolved does have some spells for this, and I think the Epic Level Handbook has a feat to extend natural lifespan.)Perhaps what makes the Undead often evil is not a tie to a specific plane, but an attitude towards other sentient beings.  Good presupposes a belief that others have inherent rights.  Evil tends to view individuals as resources to be used by the powerful, without regard for rights.  So, perhaps an undead who has to feed on the living might grow contemptuous of mortals.</blockquote>