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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Croesus" data-source="post: 6907294" data-attributes="member: 35019">I have to disagree on this. Compare hill giants between 1E and 5E:1E - average hit points = 37, average damage per round = 17 (if all attacks hit)5E - average hit points = 105, average damage per round = 36 (if all attacks hit)Characters have a lot more hit points, so the extra damage might not matter. But those extra hit points really do. Consider that a 1E 9th level wizard is throwing around 9d6 fireballs, which do an average of 31.5 points of damage, half with a save. A 9th level 5E wizard is only throwing around 8d6 fireballs, average 28 points, half with save. So the 1E wizard's fireball averages 85% of the hill giant's hit points, while the 5E wizard's fireball only averages 25% of hit points. One good tactic in 1E was to lob a couple fireballs, then see if anything was still standing. That won't work in 5E. Bottom line, the 5E giants will be around a lot longer to cause damage to the party. I agree, if you have a party of six PCs and six henchmen. The recommended party in Liberation of Geoff was 9 total characters of 9th level. Not sure how many groups play with so many PCs/henchmen any more, given that 5E characters have a lot more options, requiring more attention to play well. Even with such a large group, a head-on assault will likely be a bloodbath, and not necessarily in the PCs' favor.</blockquote>