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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9879977" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>There are two ways AI can be used with regard to artwork.</p><p></p><p>1) You can ask the AI to give you a picture of a female elf with a sword and bow, etc. and let it just give you a picture. That's the AI creating the artwork, and it takes from other artists. That sort of art should be banned as it's theft and there's no human artist.</p><p></p><p>2) You can ask the AI for some sort of framework, say a female elf with a sword and bow. Then, since that's not exactly what you want, you proceed to make changes to that base to achieve your vision. You ask the AI to make the eyes larger and it does. They you tell it that it didn't make them big enough, and it makes them bigger, but too big. So you have it make it slightly smaller. Then you adjust the eye color to the shade you want, maybe tweaking the shape. You move on to the hair color, until it's the shade you want. Adjust the shape and length of the hair, perhaps dropping a bit of a curl across the forehead. And on and on until your vision of the artwork has been achieved. That's not AI art. It's human art.</p><p></p><p>Using AI in method 2 reduces the AI to being a tool used to achieve your vision, no different than other human artists use the tools of paint, charcoal, paper, canvas, paint brushes, etc. to achieve their vision. The result of method 2 is not going to be AI art. It's human art using an AI tool.</p><p></p><p>At this point, though, a lot of people are throwing the baby out with the bathwater and just lumping both methods together and treating it like method 1, when method 2 is nothing like method 1. I also don't know if at this point there's a way to tell the two methods apart. If there's not, then you need to disallow all AI use in art until a method is created. If there is a way, then I am very much against AI created artwork, but very much okay with AI as a tool to achieve the artwork vision of the human using the tool.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9879977, member: 23751"] There are two ways AI can be used with regard to artwork. 1) You can ask the AI to give you a picture of a female elf with a sword and bow, etc. and let it just give you a picture. That's the AI creating the artwork, and it takes from other artists. That sort of art should be banned as it's theft and there's no human artist. 2) You can ask the AI for some sort of framework, say a female elf with a sword and bow. Then, since that's not exactly what you want, you proceed to make changes to that base to achieve your vision. You ask the AI to make the eyes larger and it does. They you tell it that it didn't make them big enough, and it makes them bigger, but too big. So you have it make it slightly smaller. Then you adjust the eye color to the shade you want, maybe tweaking the shape. You move on to the hair color, until it's the shade you want. Adjust the shape and length of the hair, perhaps dropping a bit of a curl across the forehead. And on and on until your vision of the artwork has been achieved. That's not AI art. It's human art. Using AI in method 2 reduces the AI to being a tool used to achieve your vision, no different than other human artists use the tools of paint, charcoal, paper, canvas, paint brushes, etc. to achieve their vision. The result of method 2 is not going to be AI art. It's human art using an AI tool. At this point, though, a lot of people are throwing the baby out with the bathwater and just lumping both methods together and treating it like method 1, when method 2 is nothing like method 1. I also don't know if at this point there's a way to tell the two methods apart. If there's not, then you need to disallow all AI use in art until a method is created. If there is a way, then I am very much against AI created artwork, but very much okay with AI as a tool to achieve the artwork vision of the human using the tool. [/QUOTE]
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